Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00184)

To all of us,

As for my two cents worth -- (with all due respect for the opinions, beliefs, 
wisdom, and vast knowledge of both ancient and modem religious scripture of 
the reverend Bhakti Ananda Goswami)...

Aside from the obviously anthropomorphized phallic interpretation 
personalizing the fundamentally lawful metaphysical Cosmogenesis -- which, 
starting from the Absolute beginning, results in the conjunctive yet apparent 
separation between "static" (omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent) primal 
(zero-point) consciousness or "spirit" and its surrounding "active" or 
dynamic primal shells of force or "matter," into the metaphysical emanation 
and involution of spherical, coadunate but not consubstantial, and phenomenal 
"zero-point hyperspace energy" fields, each consisting of a hierarchy of 
(zero-point) self aware progenitors on each descending level or plane of 
conscious substance dependently arising out of Absolute abstract space... The 
following discourse, from a metaphysical point of view, is perfectly in c
oncordance with my 60 year study and correlation of ancient occult wisdom -- 
that was entirely reiterated, if not confirmed, by the teachings of HPB in 
the Secret Doctrine and in her other explanatory writings, as well as in the 
scriptural references she pointed to. 

Therefore, to comprehend (be consciously aware of) one's interdependent 
relationship to this hierarchy, or one's inherent unity with it, without loss 
of diversity -- does not require "worship" of any such higher consciousness 
that stands between ourselves and the holistic all knowing and all willing 
consciousness of the primal source -- but, simply, requires "respect" and 
"gratitude" for their teachings of compassionate love of all beings and the 
realization of one's (individual personal) self unity with the primal (higher 
impersonal) Self of all. If this impersonal view, and its concordant "path" 
to enlightenment (proper names, words of description, or "historical" 
references to ancient scripture personalities notwithstanding) is classified 
as "atheist" by those of a personalized "theist" belief -- then so be it... 
And, to argue about this difference of opinion with respect to fundamental 
truths is pointless... Since, both views, subject to the "religious" or 
"yoga" practices one engages in, lead to the same bodhisattva (wisdom of 
harmony) end in view -- defined by "theosophists" ("all those in the true 
service of humanity") as, the realization of the Self, and the practice of 
altruism and Universal Brotherhood... (Leaving aside for further discussion 
all theories or interpretations of the evolution of "rounds" and "races" from 
either theosophical, metaphysical, physical, scientific, or scriptural points 
of view.)

I hope this gives us some more "food for thought."

LHM
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to mind and brain, consistent with both modern scientific theories and 
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In a message dated 11/27/02 10:57:32 PM, bhakti.eohn@verizon.net writes:

>>>>It should be kept in mind that the Vedic-Vaishnava sources 
>themselves are centuries to thousands of years older than the 
>commentaries of either Shankara or Madhva. These source works, like 
>the Vedic Hymns, are without doubt the testimony of worshipers of the 
>Giving (Masculine) PERSONAL DEITY PURUSHA or VISHNU and His Receiving 
>(Feminine) PRAKRITI SAKTI / SHEKINAH. They clearly promote YOGA, 
>which means NOT to merge two into one, but to YOKE two together, TO 
>MOVE AS ONE as in a pair / yoke of oxen ! The word CONJUGAL tells 
>the entire tale about what real, authentic YOGA was all about...hence 
>BRIDAL MYSTICISM. The root JUG in CONJUGAL, like YOKE, means to join 
>TWO AS ONE, but not to obliterate their diversity in that unity. 
>Think YOGA-YOKE-CONJUGAL. The Advaitans ignored the clear 
>distinction in the earlier Vedic-Vaishnava source works between the 
>Giving (YANG / PURUSHA) Supreme Self Paramatman and the Receiving 
>(YIN / PRAKRITI)finite self, the jivatma. Thus they missed the 
>Upanishadic Bridal Mysticism of the TWO Love Birds on the mystical 
>TREE of LIFE, and failed to grasp the clear reference to this in the 
>Biblical story of Adam and Eve. In Genesis and the Upanishadic LOVE 
>BIRDS Tradition, the Lord and the finite soul are lovers in 
>transcendence, but when the jiva (hEVE, the "Mother of All Living") 
>becomes distracted by the fruits on the mystical tree of life, she 
>momentarily forgets Her Lord / Lover, and tries to enjoy the fruit 
>independently of Him, the Original Giver. This separating 
>forgetfulness is her (maha material) MAYA or enthrallment, and 
>constitutes the "fall" of the jivas / EVE into the saha world of 
>material birth, death, disease and old-age. The jivas, who are 
>expansions through the Receiving (YIN) potency of SHAKTI / SHEKINAH 
>are not separated without hope of recovery within the saha world, 
>because God their Lover as PARAMATMAN 'descends' to experiance the 
>saha world with them AS ADON-YAHU / ATUM / ATEN / PARAM ATMAN / 
>ADAM / ATOMOS / AUTOs / ONTOS etc.. Out of his PLENUM / PURNAM of 
>Self-effusive love, He INCARNATES to rescue them from eternal 
>lovelessness in the multi-universes and cyclic worlds of REAL but 
>TEMPORARY MATTER. This Bridal Mysticism drama of divine rescue is at 
>the core of Judeo-Catholic, Greek, Egyptian, Eastern and numerous 
>ancient spiritualities.