Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00707)

Robert, 

Thanks for your various comments. Hopefully they will make readers 
on this forum think more deeply about some of the undelying issues.

Let me give you in turn some food for thought.

In one of of your emails, you state:

"There are many credible people who have testified to the personal 
experience of a supreme personality at the pinnacle of conscious 
experience." 

And in another posting, you write of "those who have experienced and 
described the supreme personality. . . . " 

Again you write:

"I'm speaking of direct experience of God. You may accept or not 
accept the testimony of witnesses, but such testimony is 
categorically different from speculation."

But have you ever considered that these testimonies might include an 
element of "hallucination" or "delusion"?

BELOW are four excerpts from the Mahatma Letters presenting what 
looks like this point of view: 

Excerpt 1:

". . . every thought of man upon being evolved passes into the inner 
world and becomes an active entity by associating itself - 
coalescing, we might term it -- with an elemental; that is to say 
with one of the semi-intelligent forces of the kingdoms. It survives 
as an active intelligence, a creature of the mind's begetting, for a 
longer or shorter period proportionate with the original intensity of 
the cerebral action which generated it. Thus, a good thought is 
perpetuated as an active beneficent power; an evil one as a 
maleficent demon. And so man is continually peopling his current in 
space with a world of his own, crowded with the offsprings of his 
fancies, desires, impulses, and passions. . . ." Koot Hoomi

Excerpt 2:

"Faith in the Gods and God, and other superstitions attracts 
millions of foreign influences, living entities and powerful agents 
[elementals?] around them [the devotees of various religions]. . . . 
The unprogressed Planetaries [elementals?]. . . delight in 
personating gods and sometimes well known characters who have lived 
on earth. There are Dhyan-Chohans and 'Chohans of Darkness,' not what 
they term devils but imperfect 'Intelligences' who have never been 
born on this or any other earth or sphere no more than the 'Dhyan 
Chohans' have and who will never belong to the 'builders of the 
Universe,' the pure Planetary Intelligences, who preside at every 
Manvantara while the Dark Chohans preside at the Pralayas. . . . As 
all in this universe is contrast . . . so the light of the Dhyan 
Chohans and their pure intelligence is contrasted by the 'Ma-Mo 
Chohans' -- and their destructive intelligence. These are the gods 
the Hindus and Christians and Mahomed and all others of bigoted 
religions and sects worship. . . . " Morya

Excerpt 3:

"Vainly do your modern seers and their prophetesses, creep into every 
cleft and crevice without outlet or continuity they chance to see; 
and still more vainly, when once within do they lift up their voices 
and loudly cry: 'Eureka! We have gotten a Revelation from the Lord!' -
- for verily have they nothing of the kind. They have disturbed but 
bats [elementals, unprogressed Planetaries?], less blind than their 
intruders; who, feeling them flying about, mistake them as often for 
angels -- as they too, have wings! Doubt not, my friend: it is but 
from the very top of those 'adamantine rocks' of ours, not at their 
foot, that one is ever enabled to perceive the whole Truth, by 
embracing the whole limitless horizon." Koot Hoomi 

Excerpt 4:

Stainton Moses, a "seer" and medium of the 1880s wrote:

". . . my inner spirit-sense is opened. Only yesterday . . . Imper
[ator] . . . was clearly visible and audible to me. . . . "

To this comment by Stainton Moses [S.M.], Koot Hoomi wrote:

". . . So is Jesus and John the Baptist [clearly visible and audible] 
to Edward Maitland; [who is] as true and as honest and sincere as 
S.M. . . . And does not E. Maitland see Hermes the first and second 
and Elijah, etc. Finally does not Mrs. [Anna] Kingsford feel as sure 
as S.M. with regard to + [Imperator] that she saw and conversed with 
God!! . . . And who purer or more truthful than that woman or 
Maitland! Mystery, mystery will you exclaim. IGNORANCE we answer; the 
creation of that we believe in and want to see. . . . "

Some food for thought.

Daniel