Re: Theism Can't Honestly Be Dismissed
Nov 22, 2002 04:12 PM
--- In theos-talk@y..., "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> wrote:
>>> That is true if they are devotees of the dualistic (Dwaita)
school. Those who study in my school (i.e., Zen) insist that anything
which has form is intrindicsally illusory and that the ultimate
reality is necessarily formless and void. One must therefore press on
from any experience which has form until one arrives at the formless.
The tesimony of hese masters is the opposite of the ones you quote.
No, with all due respect (to them and to you), it is NOT the
opposite. Opposite in this case implies "of equal force but
contradictory," and I maintain that the testimony of the masters of
whom you speak, being essentially negative, cannot be of equal force
with the "opposite" positive testimony.
Putting my position in terms similar to yours above, for clarity, I
would express it as, "There is a level or plane of consciousness
characterized by form and personality (different in kind, of course,
from the material forms and personalities with which we are familiar
on this earthly plane), which is the ultimate stage of spiritual
evolution. There is nowhere to "press on" to from there, nor can
there be any possible incentive or even dream of doing so, once this
stage is reached. Those who have described this ultimate plane have
also clearly described the plane of absolute formlessness, devoid of
personality (i.e., beyond all earthly forms and personalities), and
these descriptions tally with the descriptions of the Adwaita masters
who claim that that is the ultimate level.
>From the vantage point of the plane of formlessness (please excuse
all this crude terminology, but by avoiding technical terms I hope to
make myself clearly understood by people of many backgrounds and
levels of understanding), the plane of ultimate form I mentioned is
unknown. But from the latter vantage point, the former IS known. If
the credibility of the givers of the two types of testimony is
similar, logic demands the preference of the more inclusive version.
[Back to Top]
Dedicated to the Theosophical Philosophy and its Practical Application