Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00627)

FROM BA G 

DEAR THEOSOPHISTS, 

THE MAHATMA LETTERS USED BY THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AS BELOW ARE IN 
THE EDITION OF A. TREVOR BARKER IN QUESTION. IF YOU SAY THAT HIS 
CLAIM FOR THEIR AUTHORITY WAS TO SELL A BOOK, HAVEN'T YOU IMPEACHED 
THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR OWN WITNESS, PRIMARY SOURCE WORK, AND THE 
MAHATMAS THEMSELVES ? 


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BART L. WROTE:

A) Barker was trying to sell a book. He was giving his own personal
opinion, NOT speaking for any Theosophical Society.

B) The Mahatmas THEMSELVES write not to accept the writings simply
because it came from them. Therefore, to accept them on the basis of
their authority is to go against their authority. 

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THIS LAST STATEMENT IS ABSURD. THERE COMES A POINT WHEN 
SOPHISTICATED WORD-JUGGLERY FAILS, AND ONE MUST FACE THE FACTS, AND 
STOP TRYING TO WRANGLE SENSE OUT OF NONSENSE. 


THE MAHATMA LETTERS OF A.T. BARKER, A PRIMARY THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY 
SOURCE-WORK...

The Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett
Theosophical University Press Edition 
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Contents
NOTE: Files of each letter are named according to the letter number 
assigned by A. T. Barker in his first and second editions, given in 
Arabic numerals, as in ml-#.htm. To go to a particular letter, change 
the last section of the current URL from ml-con.htm to the file name 
reflecting the number of the letter. For example, to go to Letter 5, 
type ml-5.htm; for letter 24b, type ml-24b.htm, etc. For a 
description of the contents of each letter, see the detailed contents 
below. 
Individual letters are linked both numerically, according to Barker's 
numbering system, and chronologically according to the order given in 
Margaret Conger's Combined Chronology for the Mahatma and Blavatsky 
Letters to A. P. Sinnett, with both the next and the previous Mahatma 
and Blavatsky letter. The Letters not placed chronologically are: 33, 
97, 108, 123, 145, and Views of the Chohan on the TS. 
Compiler's Prefaces 

Introduction by A. Trevor Barker 

Foreword to Combined Chronology of Margaret Conger by Grace F. Knoche 

Preface and Introduction to the Combined Chronology by Margaret 
Conger 

Biographical Sketches and Bibliography by Margaret Conger 

How the Mahatma Letters Were Written by A. Trevor Barker 

Mars and Mercury by A. Trevor Barker 

First Letter of K. H. to A. O. Hume 

View of the Chohan on the T. S. 

Homepage 



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Detailed Contents of The Mahatma Letters
Quick Links to description of Sections 
Section 1 -- Occult World Series 
Section 2 -- Philosophical and Theoretical Teachings 1881-1883 
Section 3 -- Probation and Chelaship 
Section 4 -- The Phoenix Venture and the Condition of India 
Section 5 -- The London Lodge of The Theosophical Society 
Section 6 -- Spiritualism and Phenomena 
Section 7 -- Miscellaneous Letters 
Appendix 






--- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@a...> wrote:
> Hi Bakthi and all of you,
> 
> Well, oh dear oh dear...
> I have to agree, that Trevor Barker are wrong in his views upon 
Theosophy as
> they are stated in the below.
> Not all Theosophist have been without faults through the times, ... 
and
> Trevor is one of them.
> The word "authority" must certainly be wrong in the below. Christ 
or Krishna
> did better, although some of the words of Christ and Krishna today 
have been
> distorted by other people.
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with a happy smile...
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@v...>
> To: <theos-talk@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World REPEATING LIES? MAHATMA LETTERS CONCOCTET 
OR NOT:
> THE EVIDENCE
> 
> 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> >
> > > REPEATING LIES ABOUT THEOSOPHY DOESN'T TURN THEM INTO TRUTHS.
> > >
> > > brianmuehlbach wrote:
> > > > 1. The only true philosophy of the earth, Theosophy 
identified as
> > > > Buddhism, is found in the Mahatmas' Letters, and these letters
> > are the
> > > > primary source of esoteric / occult or higher wisdom for
> > Theosophists.
> > > > Next to these letters, the "Stanzas of Dyzan" are of canonical
> > importance
> > > > to Theosophists.
> >
> > Message 8934 of 8981
> >
> > "THEIR TESTIMONY
> > MUST BE
> > REGARDED AS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY on all matters of occult 
doctrine
> > and
> > practice. And here it must be stated unequivocally that from the
> > point of
> > view of the "original programme" of the Society, no theosophical
> > association
> > has any raison d'etre if it does not remain true to the Masters 
and
> > their
> > teaching. There are some who seem to believe that it is possible 
to be
> > faithful to the Masters while denying even the theoretical truth 
of
> > their
> > teaching. This is where the responsibility of the old Theosophical
> > Society
> > is so grave. In his Introduction to The Mahatma Letters the 
writer had
> > occasion to point out in what important particulars that Society
> > showed by
> > its actions a serious divergence from the spirit and letter of the
> > original
> > teaching. That volume proves beyond question that H. P. B.'s 
writings
> > are
> > absolutely consistent with the Masters' teachings, and in nothing 
is
> > this
> > more clearly discernible than in her exposition of the doctrines
> > relating to
> > the Life after Death.
> >
> > A. TREVOR BARKER.
> > LONDON,
> > December, 1924."
> >
> > 
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> >
> >
> > Mahatma Letter No. 10
> > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-10.htm
> >
> > "Therefore, we DENY God both as philosophers and AS BUDDHISTS."
> >
> > 
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> >
> >
> > "Mahatma Letter No. 134
> > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-134.htm
> >
> > "...OF THE ONLY TRUE
> > PHILOSOPHY UPON EARTH AWAY FROM INDIA..."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >