Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00256)

Thanks for the info Leon. I was supposed to be on a similar forum 
that was formed after a group of physicists and teachers spent some 
time on physics' projects "quarknet" at Notre Dame this summer. On my 
wall in this room I have a picture of "The Standard Model" which is 
based on the 8, the noble path of the Buddha. I have had discussions 
with physicists who work in conjunction with the accelarator at 
Fermi Labs which I visited for the first time this summer. I am 
hoping to go to CERN and spend some time there in Geneva and Europe. 
But that's funny you posit HPB's words/work with these physicists and 
now I am talking to some of these same guys in person.

The group I worked with here was involved in that huge find where 
about 100 physicists are on the cover of TIME and there was some 
catchy title about how many physicists does it take to discover 
something. I forgot it, but I wrote a great deal about them in my 
manuscript. No one understands what I am doing except those who are 
both sides of the fence. My favorite T has the Feynmann diagram on 
it. 

I love physics. It is so spiritual. I have been following the 
progress of the GUT also for the last 30 years. I used to go to 
lectures by nobel physicists at the U. of Chicago and I understood 
every word of it, before I ever took a physics course. That's why I 
know there is a connection between meditation, the experiences of 
meditation and the holy grail of final particles. Which may be never 
ending. But if I get any emails regarding progress of the Higgs I 
will send them along, and if you get any please share them.

What is the forum list?

Netemara

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--- In theos-talk@y..., leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> Friends,
> 
> For further information regarding the confirmations of theosophy by 
current 
> science, check out the web site of Peter Mutnick -- containing 
interesting 
> (if not conclusive) dialogues with prominent quantum physicists -- 
from which 
> the following commentary is an excerpt referring to the Secret 
Doctrine. 
> 
> Incidentally, these dialogues were either posted to the Quantum 
Mind online 
> forum sponsored by the University of Arizona consciousness studies 
department 
> (headed and moderated by Stuart Hameroff) -- or, possibly, on the 
off-line 
> unmoderated discussion group set up by one of the members of QM 
online, in 
> which Dr. Mutnick and I also participated, along with about thirty 
other 
> internationally known scientists and philosophers, including some 
Nobel 
> prizewinners and one or two interested metaphysicians without 
academic 
> [Ph.D.] credentials (like myself :-) 
> 
> However, the arguments between the quantum physicists still go on, 
since they 
> haven't yet correlated their ideas with those of the Superstring/M-
brane 
> theorists -- who have mathematically determined the existence of a 
10 
> dimensional (multi-space) universe -- or with my theory of ABC, 
that brings 
> consciousness and thought down to analogue field informational 
processes that 
> have nothing to do with quantum effects (except those related to 
the 
> mechanisms of the brain, body, and the mass/energy particles that 
compose 
> them)... 
> 
> The difference being that most quantum physicists think of 
the "images" of 
> thought, memory, sensory and extra sensory perception, as being 
finitely 
> "particulate" in nature and subject to quantum laws -- while ABC 
sees them as 
> being composed of infinite degrees of interference wave patterns of 
a 
> holographic nature -- that are transferred holistically between 
consciousness 
> (mind, memory, experiential, etc.) fields by purely electrical 
(harmonics, 
> inductiion, resonance, etc.) processes. (Of course, the non 
informational 
> phenomena within each of these fields could be governed by quantum 
> particle/wave laws -- but the constants and energy relationships of 
such laws 
> would be entirely different on each transcendental plane of 
consciousness.) 
> 
> Thus, the inner "astral light" that we see with our mind's eye, 
could be 
> traveling at a velocity much faster than the speed (c) of sidereal 
light that 
> actually falls on the retinas of our eyes (there to be translated 
chemically 
> and electrically until its vibrational patterns are transferred 
holistically 
> to the brain's em field, and thence, as holographic, interference 
patterned 
> modulations, to our mind/memory fields).
> 
> When the currently mixed bag of scientists working in the various 
disciplines 
> of the hard and soft sciences finally recognize these 
possibilities, join 
> their physics, biologics, and psychology's with the "metaphysics" 
of 
> Supertring/M-brane and ABC theories -- all the current "hard 
problems" of 
> consciousness (explaining experience, brain-mind binding, psi 
phenomena, 
> will, etc.) will be answered... And, theosophy will finally 
be "proven" by 
> science. How long this will take is anybody's guess -- but, though 
not all 
> of them know it, they are getting very very close.
> 
> LHM
> 
> P.S. I added a comment with reference to FOHAT to the dialogue 
below between 
> Mutnick and HPB. (Note that I introduced the SD to all these 
consciousness 
> science forums as early as 1994 when they first started up. Before 
then, 
> prior to the philosopher, David Chalmers, posing the "hard 
problem" -- 
> explaining the experience or "qualia" of consciousness -- the study 
of 
> consciousness was anathema in most "hard science" 
circles.) 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

> 
> From: Peter Mutnick 
(http://www.geocities.com/saint7peter/index.html) 
> 
> The Secret Doctrine and Complementarity
> 
> Note: I explain below the relevance of this passage, written in 
1888, to 
> quantum theory and the philosophy of complementarity. The URL given 
> immediately below is the testimony of one Leon Maurer concerning 
Einstein's 
> interest in "The Secret Doctrine".
> 
> 
http://users.aol.com/unIwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/einstein.html
> 
> LeonMaurer@a...
> 
> [Helena Blavatsky]
> The Secret Doctrine establishes three fundamental propositions: -
> (a) An omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on 
which all 
> speculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of human 
conception 
> and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or similitude. It 
is beyond 
> the range and reach of thought - in the words of 
Mandukya, "unthinkable and 
> unspeakable".
> 
> [Peter Mutnick]
> If the source of the complementary pairs of opposites is not this 
type of 
> plenitude, then the alternative is a cheap defective universe. This 
is the 
> impression that many have of complementarity and the Copenhagen 
> Interpretation, but it is a misconception on their part from the 
outset.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> To render these ideas clearer to the general reader, let him set 
out with the 
> postulate that there is one absolute Reality which antecedes all 
manifested, 
> conditioned, being. This Infinite and Eternal Cause - dimly 
formulated in the 
> "Unconscious" and "Unknowable" of current European philosophy - is 
the 
> rootless root of "all that was, is, or ever shall be". It is of 
course devoid 
> of all attributes and is essentially without any relation to 
manifested, 
> finite Being. It is "Be-ness" rather than Being (in Sanskrit, 
*Sat*), and is 
> beyond all thought or speculation.
> 
> [Mutnick]
> The penetration of the Unconscious leads to the implicate order as 
the true 
> Mind of the Observer. The Unknowable is the foundation for the 
implicate 
> order as the noumenal back-ground. The Infinite and Eternal Cause = 
the God 
> of Spinoza = the Implicate Order of Bohm.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> This "Be-ness" is symbolized in the Secret Doctrine under two 
aspects. On the 
> one hand, absolute abstract Space, representing bare subjectivity, 
the one 
> thing which no human mind can either exclude from any conception, 
or conceive 
> of by itself. On the other hand, absolute Abstract Motion 
representing 
> Unconditioned Consciousness.
> 
> [Mutnick]
> The primary pair of conjugate variables are enunciated in 1888! 
Moreover a 
> possibly profound meaning is given to them.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> Even our Western thinkers have shown that Consciousness is 
inconceivable to 
> us apart from change, and motion best symbolizes change, its 
essential 
> characteristic. This latter aspect of the one Reality is also 
symbolized by 
> the term "The Great Breath", a symbol sufficiently graphic to need 
no further 
> elucidation. Thus, then, the first fundamental axiom of the Secret 
Doctrine 
> is this metaphysical ONE ABSOLUTE - BE-NESS - symbolized by finite 
> intelligence as the theological Trinity.
> 
> It may, however, assist the student if a few further explanations 
are given 
> here.
> Herbert Spencer has of late so modified his Agnosticism as to 
assert that the 
> nature of the "First Cause", which the Occultists more logically 
derives from 
> the "Causeless Cause", the "Eternal", and the "Unknowable", may be 
> essentially the same as that of the Consciousness which wells up 
within us; 
> in short, that the impersonal reality pervading the Kosmos is the 
noumenon of 
> thought. This advance on his part brings him very near to the 
esoteric and 
> Vedantin tenet.
> 
> Parabrahm (the One Reality, the Absolute) is the field of Absolute 
> Consciousness, i.e., that Essence which is out of all relation to 
conditioned 
> existence, and of which conscious existence is a conditioned 
symbol. But once 
> we pass in thought from this (to us) Absolute Negation, duality 
supervenes in 
> the contrast of Spirit (or consciousness) and Matter, Subject and 
Object.
> 
> [Mutnick]
> This Absolute Consciousness is the same discovered by Edmund 
Husserl through 
> the phenomenological reduction. It is discovered by everyone who 
turns their 
> attention inward and asks in sincerity, "Who and What am I?" But 
this cannot 
> be done casually or even necessarily through an act of will. 
Husserl said 
> only that one should perform the phenomenological reduction at 
least once 
> during one's lifetime. It is a peak experience and the experience 
of a 
> lifetime. Zen adepts often had two experiences: one an initial 
Kensho; and 
> later a complete Enlightenment.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> Spirit (or Consciousness) and Matter are, however, to be regarded, 
not as 
> independent realities, but as two facets or aspects of the Absolute 
> (Parabrahm), which constitute the basis of conditioned Being 
whether 
> subjective or objective.
> 
> Considering this metaphysical triad as the Root from which proceeds 
all 
> manifestation, the great Breath assumes the character of precosmic 
Ideation. 
> I is the *fons et origo* of force and of all individual 
consciousness, and 
> supplies the guiding intelligence in the vast scheme of cosmic 
Evolution. On 
> the other hand, precosmic root-substance (*Mulaprakriti*) is that 
aspect of 
> the Absolute which underlies all the objective planes of Nature.
> Just as pre-Cosmic Ideation is the root of all individual 
consciousness, so 
> pre-Cosmic Substance is the substratum of matter in the various 
grades of its 
> differentiation.
> 
> [Mutnick]
> Substance and Ideation have to do with the State Vector and its 
Reduction.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> Hence it will be apparent that the contrast of these two aspects of 
the 
> Absolute is essential to the existence of the "Manifested 
Universe". Apart 
> from Cosmic Substance, Cosmic Ideation could not manifest as 
individual 
> consciousness, since it is only through a vehicle of matter that 
> consciousness wells up as "I am I", a physical basis being 
necessary to focus 
> a ray of the Universal Mind at a certain level of complexity. 
Again, apart 
> from the Cosmic Ideation, Cosmic Substance would remain an empty 
abstraction, 
> and no emergence of consciousness could ensue.
> 
> [Mutnick]
> Clearly applicable to the State Vector and its Reduction.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> The "Manifested Universe", therefore, is pervaded by duality, which 
is, as it 
> were, the very essence of its EX-istence as "manifestation".
> 
> [Mutnick]
> EX-istence = explicate order.
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> But just as the opposite poles of subject and object, spirit and 
matter, are 
> but aspects of the One Unity in which they are synthesized, so, in 
the 
> manifested Universe, there is "that" which links spirit to matter, 
subject to 
> object.
> 
> This something, at present unknown to Western speculation, is 
called by the 
> occultists Fohat. It is the "bridge" by which the "Ideas" existing 
in the 
> "Divine Thought" are impressed on Cosmic substance as the "laws of 
Nature". 
> Fohat is thus the dynamic energy of Cosmic Ideation; or, regarded 
from the 
> other side, it is the intelligent medium, the guiding power of all 
> manifestation, the "Thought Divine" transmitted and made manifest 
through the 
> Dhyan Chohans, the Architects of the visible World. Thus from 
Spirit, or 
> Cosmic Ideation, comes our consciousness; from Cosmic Substance the 
several 
> vehicles in which that consciousness is individualized and attains 
to self - 
> or reflective - consciousness; while Fohat, in its various 
manifestations, is 
> the mysterious link between Mind and Matter, the animating 
principle 
> electrifying every atom into life.
> 
> [Niels Bohr]
> "Actually, ordinary language by its use of such words as thoughts 
and 
> sentiments, admits typical complementary relations between 
conscious 
> experiences implying a different placing of the section line 
between the 
> observing subject and object on which attention is focussed. We are 
here 
> presented with a close analogy to the relationship between atomic 
phenomena 
> appearing under different experimental conditions and described by 
different 
> physical concepts, according to the role played by the measuring 
instruments. 
> In fact, the varying separation line between subject and object, 
> characteristic of different conscious experiences, is the clue to 
the 
> consistent logical use of such contrasting notions as will, 
conscience and 
> aspirations, each referring to equally important aspects of human 
> personality." (Niels Bohr, "Physical Science and the Study of 
Religions", 
> 1953, in TPWNB, Volume IV, pp. 159-60)
> 
> [Mutnick]
> Fohat as the mediator of subject and object is more than 
the "aspects of the 
> human personality" which are products of varying placements of the 
split. 
> Fohat actually synthesizes the opposites (complementary pairs) in a 
way that 
> is not yet understood. THIS IS A PRIMARY KEY TO THE SCIENCE OF THE 
21ST 
> CENTURY! IT EXPLAINS THE DYNAMIC ACTION OF WILL IN A UNIVERSALLY 
CREATIVE 
> SENSE.
> 
> [Maurer] 
> Too bad that Mutnick, while he sees the quantum correlation's with 
the 
> fundamental principles, can't see that, since Fohat manifests as 
the primary 
> field of electrical energy in its threefold aspects, that the link 
between 
> the opposites (fullness-emptiness, sleeping-waking, light-dark, 
etc.), as 
> well as the idea of "complementarity" depends solely on cyclic 
laws, and is 
> mediated by holographic field interference patterns overlaid on and 
carried 
> by the fundamental frequencies of the primal mind and memory 
fields... Linked 
> to each other by their coadunate zero-point centers of universal 
awareness 
> and will. Thus, like the DNA in any body cell can build the entire 
body 
> structure, the universe contains all of itself in any zero-point 
instant 
> "spinergy" spread everywhere throughout all of Space, both Absolute 
> (abstract) and Metric (phenomenal). 
> 
> [Blavatsky]
> The following summary will afford a clearer idea to the reader.
> (1) The ABSOLUTE; the *Parabrahm* of the Vedantins or the one 
Reality, SAT, 
> which is, as Hegel says, both Absolute Being and Non-Being.
> (2) The first manifestation, the impersonal, and, in philosophy, 
> *unmanifested* Logos, the precursor of the "manifested". This is 
the "First 
> Cause", the "Unconscious" of European pantheists.
> (3) Spirit-Matter, LIFE; the "Spirit of the Universe", Purusha and 
Prakriti, 
> or the *second* Logos.
> (4) Cosmic Ideation, MAHAT or Intelligence, the Universal World-
Soul; the 
> Cosmic Noumenon of Matter, the basis of the intelligent operations 
in and of 
> Nature, also called MAHA-BUDDHI.
> The ONE REALITY; its *dual* aspects in the conditioned Universe.
> 
> Further, the Secret Doctrine affirms: -
> (b) The Eternity of the Universe *in toto* as a boundless plane; 
periodically 
> "the playground of numberless Universes incessantly manifesting and 
> disappearing", called "the manifesting stars", and the "sparks of 
Eternity". 
> "The Eternity of the Pilgrim"* is like a wink of the Eye of Self-
Existence.
> 
> *"Pilgrim" is the appellation given to our "Monad" (the two in one) 
during 
> its cycle of incarnation. It is the only immortal and eternal 
principle in 
> us, being an indivisible part of the integral whole - the Universal 
Spirit, 
> from which it emanates, and into which it is absorbed at the end of 
the 
> cycle. When it is said to emanate from the one spirit, an awkward 
and 
> incorrect expression has to be used, for lack of appropriate words 
in 
> English. The Vedantins call it Sutratma (Thread-Soul), but their 
explanation, 
> too, differs somewhat from that of the occultists; to explain which 
> difference, however, is left to the Vedantins themselves.