Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00253)

brianmuehlbach wrote:
> Brian: Even without further detail and in spite of squirming 
> apologetics like Bart and other current day Theosophists, the admission 
> (the whole basis of The Secret Doctrine) that each race is associated 
> with a particular homeland makes a mockery of the disclaimer.

I realize that English is not your first language, but I am not an
apologetic, nor do I squirm. I am not the one who refuses to answer
direct questions; you are. And when I'm proven wrong, I admit it. I will
even frequently thank the person who proved me wrong, for supplying me
with proof. (The term you may have been looking for is "apologist",
which simply means "defender", but, in current colloquial usage, has the
connotation of defending the indefensible).

> Steve: forget all the later impostors such as Bailey, leadbeater, etc.
> 
> Brian: Despite individual differences between theosophists, there is
> remarkably little divergence in the evolutionary scheme they present.

The major difference is whether or not all members of homo sapiens are
of the same race. Virtually all current Theosophists say, "yes", and
believe that this is the major thrust of both the Secret Doctrine and
the Mahatma Letters, in spite of a few places here and there where the
writers, being both human and products of their times, unthinkingly give
in to then current prejudices. 

There are various different ideas of the "bodies" of humanity, and
which ones came from which root races. In the version taught in
Blavatsky's Esoteric Section, the kama manas was developed during the
4th Root Race, and the buddhi manas is being developed in the 5th. And
most people, regardless of genetic footnotes like skin color, spend most
or even all of their time without exercising the buddhi manas, living
entirely in the kama manas. From that point of view, these people are
still in the 4th Root Race. But you can take any of these individuals,
put them in a position where they have the opportunity and motivation to
start exercising the buddhi manas, and they will. Modern communication
technology (5th Root Race magic, if you will) has made the geographical
distinctions less and less important. But in much of the world, you have
people living based on the intellectual discoveries of their ancestors,
without bothering to find anything new. They do not live; they merely
exist. And you have plenty of people like that in Germany and the
United States. And the societies that were based on that ARE dying out,
even if they retain their own cultures, because they are exposed to new
ways of thinking, and therefore must think and choose their actions,
rather than just automatically doing whatever it is they do.

> In addition, where is the evidence Blavatsky was not an imposter
> herself, with that I mean; the "Mahatma Letters" are written pieces of
> paper/letters indeed, but where is the evidence that they are what
> Theosophists claim they are ?

What do the Theosophists claim they are? Different Theosophist claim
different things. Tell me what you're talking about, and I will tell you
where the evidence is. 

Bart Lidofsky