Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00227)

Judging by past performance (and as an "expert" on propaganda techniques) I 
wouldn't be surprised if BM, a notorious plagiarizer him/herself, and 
possibly agent of the "Dugpas," didn't cook up this whole phony and 
gratuitous correspondence by a purported expert on both theosophy and 
Hinduism. Great way for a theosophy hater (or anti anything) to make an 
opinionated case without any authentication. It's amazing how this new 
revelation came out of the woodwork after someone plugged a hole in the 
previous diatribe. Aren't we getting tired of all this nonsense?

LHM

In a message dated 10/27/02 11:10:06 AM, brianmuehlbach@yahoo.com writes:

>Well the sentence to me was not mine ofcourse, it was send to me 
>yesterday in private by one of the lurkers on theos talk. I also only 
>posted the first half of the message, but I think I will now place the
>2e 
>half of this message yesterday:
>
>IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON 
>THE CURRENT AND FORMER RACIAL COMPOSITION OF VARIOUS TS 
>AND TS RELATED GROUPS.
>
>I ONCE VISITED A BLACK VAISHNAVA COMMUNITY IN WASHINGTON DC, 
>USA, AND WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT THEY HAD ADOPTED THE 
>ENTIRE ARYAN MASTER-RACE THOUGHT SYSTEM. AS CONVERTS TO 
>WHAT THEY CONSIDERED A KIND OF 'HINDUISM', THEY
>ADOPTED ARYANISM AND ACTUALLY INTERNALIZED THE IDEA THAT 
>THEIR RACE WAS INFERIOR DUE TO BAD KARMA!
>
>SO IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR BLACKS TO ADOPT A THEOSOPHICAL-
>LIKE VIEW.
>
>MY MOST PROLONGED DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THEOSOPHYWAS IN 
>OJAI, AND THAT WAS DEFINITELY A TRADITIONALLY 'WHITE' CENTER 
>OF THE FAITH.
>
>IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO STUDY THE RACIAL STATISTICS FOR 
>THEOSOPHICAL GROUPS GLOBALLY. WHEN I WAS IN SRI LANKA, 
>THERE WAS AN ABSOLUTE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SINHALESE 
>BUDDHIST "ARYANS" AND THEOSOPHY. THE NATIVE THEOSOPHISTS 
>WERE THESE 'ARYAN' THERAVADIN BUDDHISTS, AND THEY WERE
>CONTEMPTUOUS OF THE BLACK TAMILS IN THE EXTREME. THIS 
>ARYANIST RACE HATRED FOR THE BLACKS OF SOUTHERN INDIA, IS 
>REALLY BEHIND THE ON-GOING CIVIL WAR THERE. SOME THINK IT IS 
>A RELIGIOUS WAR BETWEEN THE T. BUDDHISTS AND DRAVIDIAN 
>(TAMIL) SHAIVITES, BUT ACTUALLY IT IS ARYANISM THAT HAS 
>FUELED AND IS FUELING THE WHOLE THING. HBP WAS INVOLVED 
>DIRECTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF RACIST ARYANISM IN SRI LANKA. 
>SHE CONSIDERED THE SINHALESE TO BE ARYANS,
>AND ADOPTED AND PROMOTED THEIR THERAVADIN BUDDHISM TO 
>SOME EXTENT.
>
>THE WAR IS STILL RAGING THERE. THE SINHALESE, AT THE 
>INSTIGATION OF THEIR 'BUDDHIST' LEADERS, HAVE OCCUPIED AND 
>DESTROYED NUMEROUS HINDUS TEMPLES AND
>ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES. OLD ARYANIST INTERPRETED VERSIONS OF 
>THE RAMAYANA ARE BEING USED BY THE DALIT ORGANIZERS TO 
>INCITE TAMIL UPRISINGS AGAINST THE SINHALESE. SO IN THE CASE 
>OF SOUTH INDIAN AND SRI LANKAN THEOSOPHY, THE RACIST 
>HISTORICAL EXPRESSION OF THE THOUGHT SYSTEM HAS BEEN 
>EXTREME.
>
>THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF BLACK THEOSOPHISTS IN CHICAGO 
>AND NEW YORK MERITS INVESTIGATION. IS THIS A RECENT 
>PHENOMENON ? WERE THESE COMMUNITIES TRADITIONALLY MIXED 
>RACE ? WERE THEY FOUNDED BY THE SAME LEADER (S )?
>MANY QUESTIONS COME TO MIND.
>
>WHEN I READ HPB'S WRITINGS AND THE MAHATMA LETTERS,THESE 
>WERE JUST FULL OF INAUTHENTIC NONSENSE. AS AN EXPERT ON 
>VAISHNAVISM, I AM INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE 'HINDU' 
>TEXTUAL TRADITIONS THAT THEOSOPHY APPROPRIATED. AT EVERY 
>TURN THE 'MASTERS' / MAHATMAS MISUNDERSTOOD, ABUSED AND 
>CORRUPTED 'HINDU' TRADITION. THEY DISPLAYED AN APPALLING 
>LACK OF BASIC KNOWLEDGE AND REALIZATION CONCERNING THE 
>SOURCES OF THE TRADITIONS THAT THEY PRETENDED TO BE THE 
>MASTERS OF. IF THEY REALLY WERE 'MASTERS', THEN WHY DID 
>THEY NOT AT ALL UNDERSTAND THE MOST BASIC TRUTHS ABOUT THE 
>TRADITIONS THAT THEY CLAIMED THEMSELVES TO BE THE 'MASTERS'
>OF ? (Brian: end quoute of the 2e part of the letter that was send to me
>
>via a backchannel from a member of the theos talk group)
>
> --- In theos-talk@y..., Drpsionic@a... wrote:
>> In a message dated 10/26/02 12:44:24 PM Central Daylight Time, 
>> brianmuehlbach@y... writes:
>> 
>> << 
>> IF THESE GROUPS WERE NOT TEACHING RACISM OR PRACTICING 
>> IT, WHERE WERE ALL THE NEGROES ?
>> >>
>> 
>> In the minstral show? 
>> Actually, I'm rather surprised at this because there has always been
>> a significant black representation in the Chicago area. But I suppose
>> you can never satisfy everyone.
>> 
>> Chuck
>