Theos-Talk Archives (October 2002 Message tt00051)

Hi Wry, 
Krishnamurti had the same idea about "self realization" that was taught by 
HPB to her direct students. In her view (as clarified by the teachings of 
WQJ) the way to attain self knowledge and understanding of the nature of 
one's own reality (and by inference, that of others one meets along the way) 
-- is to look from within outward, and from without inward simultaneously, 
and live every moment of ones life solely in the NOW -- being constantly 
vigilant, and doing only that which is necessary to be done. Thus, there is 
no time to think of or remember the past while one is acting with an open and 
receptive mind in the present. In doing so, one accepts, gives forgiveness 
for (and forgets) all wrong thoughts and acts of self and others that has led 
up to the present. Thus, the future becomes completely open to full 
awareness, acceptance, and intuitively wise responses that the immediate 
circumstances of the NOW require. 

This new beginning, or "rebirth" from entrapment by the past and by the 
materiality one identified with and suffered from, is the "pathless path" 
spoken of by Krishnamurti... And its results (although, if one understands 
and "takes the leap," much faster to achieve) are identical with Buddha's 
eight fold path, and with the practices of Zen, Chan, and Dzyan (as outlined 
in the Voice of the Silence and Patanjali's yoga), as well as the Tao of Lao 
Tse, and the teachings of all the other great Masters of Wisdom from 
Pythagorus to the theosophical Masters -- who are still with us in the 
present -- even if not in the body... And, assuredly, available for 
questioning on the higher planes -- once we have shucked off all our 
conditionings from the past, have focussed our rational mind and body to 
think and live only in the present, and have, thereby, fully awakened our 
higher intuitive (Buddhi) mind.

Yes, when one lives in the NOW, the act of writing down our thoughts will 
immediately awaken us to new insights -- as we move along through our stream 
of consciousness... This occurs automatically, since, intuitive thinking in 
the NOW, while writing down (or speaking) the thoughts that fills both the 
intuitive and reasoning mind, is not hampered by a lower mind blocked up by 
inhibiting or negative thoughts from the past. In effect, one has "Become 
like a child" -- as the Master Yeshua (Jesus) recommended. 

That's why, I have recommended that one should read the difficult to 
understand passages of the Secret Doctrine (or any metaphysical teaching) out 
loud (with emphasis and inflections as if the teacher were speaking directly 
to you) -- while writing down the difficult words in different configurations 
of the shapes of letters and their positions -- in order to consolidate both 
the aural and kinetic channels of thoughts/actions with the visual channel... 
And, thus, coordinate the word sounds and their written "look" and "feel" -- 
so as to awaken their intuitive meanings. At the same time this method 
focusses the aural and visual channels, as well as the kinesthetic channel on 
the immediate thoughts and ideas, and thus, opens up new insights as to the 
meaning of the words in the context of the sensible sentences one speaks, 
reads, and writes. Once all these channels of consciousness are merged on 
the highest planes, our intuitive mind can draw knowledge directly from the 
Akashic Record -- or directly from the spirit level minds of the Masters.

This means of study is also a fine exercise in the art of living freely in 
the present... Since, such an art requires all the senses to be in perfect 
alignment, open and vigilant -- to accept and instantly interpret any new 
circumstances that might face us in the eternal NOW... So that we might live 
from moment to moment, with full awareness, open mindedness, and a readiness 
to act wisely and discriminatively in accord with our present circumstances.

Thanks for listening... Hope it helps.

LHM


In a message dated 10/01/02 4:15:09 PM, wry1111@earthlink.net writes:

>Hi John. I do not know if you read my whole message or not. I suggest you
>try to go back, if you have the time, and read it again. As I have said,
>Krishnamurti was no authority, nor am I. but any honest study of
>Krishamurti's writings will lead you to a different conclusion than theone
>you have come to about what Krishnamurti was saying. He was not speaking of
>an individual following a path of ACCUMULATION based on his own subjective
>preference, like a donkey, with the DESIRE of his own spiritual craving hung
>in front of his nose like a corn. His whole teaching was to DROP this
>accumulation, this chronological line of development, to DIE to it here and
>now, as to continue it creates what he called "psychological time" which
>is based on thought, memory and desire and leads to great suffering and
>disorder.
>
>This is his teaching. He is not talking about dying to the past tomorrow. He
>is talking about doing it NOW. He also has given a method for doing this
>and that method is by being completely attentive to what is, including
>oneself as one is interacting while being (or attempting to be) attentive.
>He used the method of dialogue (enquiry), which is approaching material
>through questions rather than answers. As one is attentive to the world
>and oneself in one's daily activity and attentive to oneself in the process
>of enquiry, a more exact alignment to physical reality occurs as false
>(unnecessary) reference points are shed, and " the observer becomes one
>with the observed." This is not a process of accumulation, but one of
>elimination.
>
>And hey, guess what? Most people are not Krishnamurti, who in some ways was
>not your ordinary spiritual seeker, and most people are unable to accomplish
>what he was talking about, a total dying to each moment that results in a 
>complete transformation of the human brain. Or, actually, I should say, most
>people UP TILL NOW have been unable to accomplish this, because this is
>a different time, and it is possible that, in his case, his teaching may
>become MORE rather than less time-appropriate as it ages. This is the first
>time this has ever occurred to me, just now, as I wrote this last sentence.
>Wry took a big leap. Did you ever have a new idea when you were writing
>an email, AS you were writing?
>
>And hey, guess what else? I don't even agree with what KRISHNAMURTI was
>saying. Actually I both DO and DON'T. This is the truth and the
>contradiction. I feel it in both my solar plexus and in my gu t. One thing I
>do know, though, is that (up till now, at least), the average human being,
>and this probably includes all of us, cannot and will not drop his
>individual search (continuum of spiritual pursuit based on the desire to
>accumulate.) This is a fact. F-A-C-T. FACE IT AND FEEL SORROW AS DO I,
>but do not trick yourself.
>
>Krishnamurti's teaching was that the total CONTENT of the past is in oneself
>at the present moment. Therefore, all I need to do is study myself
>interacting with the world NOW. This is "life." But when he says something
>to the effect that "life" is the path, he is talking about life without the
>schism between the observer and the observed that is created by thought
>looking back (analysis). Analysis takes place from a place that is dirty.
>Interesting, though, that the teaching of Shri Aurobindo, Madame Blavatasky,
>and perhaps even Christianity, and many others, maybe even Krishnamurti
>(if we're talking about actual physical earth) is that there is a little seed
>in the dirt. If such be the case, even if we are speaking of simple physical
>earth, we need to first prepare the field. If weeds are enough, there will
>be no good food. If you and I believe that following our own subjective and
>mechanical paths based on our individual conditioning will lead to truth,
>than we will not get through the winter. Krishamurti went on, after he
>dissolved the Order of the Star and spent a lifetime showing people how to
>prepare the field for the creative act of being fully human.
>
>To get to conscious doing is very big. It is too big for me. This is why I
>suggest we start with simple questions. Why are we not able to let go of the
>past, or as Krishnamurti said, when he summed up his teaching in a single
>sentence, "Attempt without effort to live with death in futureless silence"?
>Death is painless. It does not hurt, because it is nothing. It is obvious
>that this is an immediate end to all conflict. Why are we not able to live
>with death? Is there a way we can help each other do so? Is trying to do
>this in conflict with the basic principles of theosophy or will it lead to
>the accomplishment and realization of the aims and goals of theosophy?
>Also, though I'm not against discussing Krishnamurti here, and already have
>planned to make some messages sometime regarding A Sanat, if you want to
>join a good Krishnamurti list, I suggest Katinka's list, K-and-C on yahoo.
>I am happily on that list, though I have not been as involved recently.
>Sincerely, Wry.
>