Theos-Talk Archives (September 2002 Message tt00005)

Bart:
A hell of a lot of people spoke against Leadbeater, and it was
Leadbeater who got thrown out. Steiner did more than speak against them;
he tried to throw out people from his Branch of the TS if they were
followers of Krishnamurti, in clear violation of the 1st Object.

Frank:
Only the half of the truth. I am not in agreement with Steiner in many
cases, esp. his corruption of the doctrines, but why don't you mention that
BEFORE Steiner did what you write it was Annie Besant who forced Steiner's
members to join the Order of the Star of the East, which is a double
violation of the TS rules as this order supported clearly the backward and
degenerated judeo-christian worldview of having blind faith in a messias you
thinks for us instead of the theosophical concept of HPB.: to make the
people free.
In other words the actions of Annie Besant were clearly black magic of the
worst kind, a disruption of the TS from within and Steiner as GS had the
right (and the theosophical duty!) to protect his members against that
sentimental-emotional-religious counter program to produce a soulless slave
race.

Bart:
I have found that Radha in person is a different face than she is in
public. In public, she preaches tolerance, but in private, she allows

Frank:
Rofl. Typical Orwell newspeak. What you and Radha call "tolerance" is to me
the highest intolerance.
What you call brotherhood is to me the antithesis of brotherhood.
And that is the kernel of the black magic Adyar system (which I was able to
watch for one week including Radha Burnier):
The replace of theosophical terms with a new, twisted content.
If Radha Burnier really were tolerant in the original sense of the word -
which includes responisbility - she would had not allowed such a one week
summer school which she attended in Berlin without showing a sign of
disagreement.

Bart:
Radha Burnier is another case entirely. Even if her motives are 100%
pure, her autocratic demeanor puts off many members of the Theosophical
Society. In particular, her abuse of her power to unilaterally dissolve
sections (I say abuse, as she refuses to give her reasons for doing so,
making them suspect) has been particularly damaging. Her writings are
exemplary; it would probably be a good idea for her to actually READ
them...

Frank:
Notoriously only such members are attacked which have HPB.: as their basic.
She heard for one week all thehe pseudo theosophical new age trash lecturers
at the Berlin summer school without threading them with expulsion...
In plain words: What Í have seem for one week was purely black magic.
Standing before Radha Burnier I did not feel any higher atmosphere which
gave me the impression that there is a chela of one or another degree before
me. On the contrary, I felt just the opposite.

Bart:
I still maintain (quite publicly) that being a member of the LCC clergy
and a member of the E.S. at the same time is hypocrisy, and have stated

Frank:
Agreed. As long a backward organization like the LCC has its church on the
Adyar HQ grounds HPB and her teachers will not return to Adyar as she once
wrote. The 2002 Berlin Summer School with Radha Burnier was a clear proof
that neither HPB.: nor her teachers ever returned to that pseudo tolerant
sect since 1885.