Theos-Talk Archives (August 2002 Message tt00112)

Aug 8 2002

Dear Larry:

Here is one way of looking at the Deluge:

If we go to The SECRET DOCTRINE we find the following
accounts:


Each sidereal year (25, 868 years) witnesses a deluge: S D
I 649, II 145, 329, 785,
At the close of each Root-Race: S D II 309,

The Bible references are described in S D II 703-4,

Berosus of Babylon figured their records according to the
zodiac, at the time of Alexander successful invasion and
conquest: S D I 649-50;

Hindu computations: S D I 369;

Old civilizations have been destroyed: S D II 311-2, 774,

New forms and bodies emerge after deluges and cataclysms: S
D II 262-3, 500fn,

Every race records deluges: S D II 787, 787fn,

Not all have been violent and sudden, some take thousands of
years: S D II 787,

The 3rd Race ( Lemurians) were destroyed: S D ii 714,

The 4th Race ( Atlanteans) were destroyed by deluges: S D
II 144, 149, 314, ]

Geology records evidence of S D II 486,

Prediction as to the next and effect on present continents,
Europe and America: S D I 646, II 266, 332-3, 445-6


The history of a real Deluge -- It speaks of the
disappearance of the last large island (named Poseidonis) of
Atlantis, it was located in the North Atlantic ocean and to
the West of Ireland. This event occurred about 11, 000
years ago.

Since you have The SECRET DOCTRINE look up in Vol. 2, pp.
349-50, 533-4, 636, 751. I have noted that they discovered
a sunken city off the Western coast of Cuba in the Caribean
Sea -- some speculate that it may be related to old
Atlantis, it still remains to be investigated.

Do you recall the great old statues that the Taliban in
Afghanistan blew up about 2 years ago. Again in The SECRET
DOCTRINE read what H.P.Blavatsky gives as a description: S
D 2nd Vol., pp 336-40 apparently they were built about a
million years ago.

Also the Pyramids have a very much greater antiquity than
Egyptologists allow. H P B says they have been 3 times
under water. S D Vol. 1, 435; II 429, You can bring
this information out if you find people interested in such
things.

Introduce them to The SECRET DOCTRINE and also to ISIS
UNVEILED which has a wealth of information. In ISIS
UNVEILED read in I U Vol. 2 from pp 288-9 onward --
fascinating accounts.

This is the original of what is narrated in the Bible.
There Noah is made to represent a small section of Humanity
whose lives were not selfish and were therefore a stock that
was to be "saved." Those who practised terrible selfishness
were the ones destroyed by a natural cataclysm as Nature
could no longer support them.

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WHERE THE RISHIS WERE


The Rishis were the sacred Bards, the
Saints, the great Adepts
Known to the Hindus, who gave great
spiritual impulses in the
Past and are said to sometimes reincarnate,
and who at one time
lived on the earth among men.


"The world is made of seas and islands. For continents are
only great lands water-encircled. Men must ever live upon
sea or land, then, unless they abide in air, and if they
live in the air, they are not men as we know them."

Thus I thought as the great ship steamed slowly into the
port of a small island, and before the anchor fell the whole
scene seemed to change and the dazzling light of the past
blotted out the dark pictures of modern civilization.
Instead of an English ship I was standing on an ancient
vehicle propelled by force unknown today, until the loud
noises of disembarkation roused me once again.

But landed now, I was standing on the hill overlooking the
town and bay. The strange light and the curious vehicle
again obtained mastery over sense and eye, while the whole
majesty of forgotten years rolled in from the Ocean. Vainly
did modern education struggle and soar: I let the curtain
drop upon the miserable present.

Now softly sings the water as it rolls against the shore,
with the sun but one hour old shining upon its surface.
But, far off, what is that spot coming nearer from the West,
followed by another and another until over the horizon rise
hundreds, and now some are so near that they are plainly
seen? The same strange vehicles as that I saw at first.
Like birds they fly through the air. They come slowly now,
and some have been brought still on the land. They light on
the earth with a softness that seems nearly human, with a
skill that is marvelous, without any shock or rebound. From
them alight men of noble mien who address me as friends, and
one more noble than the others seems to say, "Wouldst thou
know of all this? Then come," as he turns again to his
vehicle that stands there like a bird in wait to be off.

"Yes, I will go;" and I felt that the past and the present
were but one, and knew what I should see, yet could not
remember it but with a vagueness that blotted out all the
details.

We entered the swift intelligently-moving vehicle, and then
it rose up on the air's wide-spreading arms and flew again
fast to the West, where the water was still softly singing
to the beams of the sun. The horizon slowly rose and the
Island behind us was hidden by the sea from our sight. And
still as onward we flew to the Occident, many more birds
made by manlike that we were in flew by us as if in haste
for the soft-singing waters lapping the shore of that peak
of the sea mountain we had left in the Orient. Flying too
high at first we heard no sound from the sea, but soon a
damp vapor that blew in my face from the salt deep showed
that we were descending, and then spoke my friend.

"Look below and around and before you!"

Down there were the roar and rush of mad billows that
reached toward the sky, vast hollows that sucked in a world.
Black clouds shut out the great sun, and I saw that the
crust of the earth was drawn in to her own subterranean
depths. Turning now to the master, I saw that he heard my
unuttered question. He said,

"A cycle has ended. The great bars that kept back the sea
have been broken down by their weight. From these we have
come and are coming."

Then faster sailed our bird, and I saw that a great Island
was perishing. What was left of the shore still crumbled,
still entered the mouth of the sea. And there were cars of
the air just the same as that I was in, only dark and
unshining, vainly trying to rise with their captains;
rising slowly, then falling, and then swallowed up.

But here we have rushed further in where the water has not
overflowed, and now we see that few are the bright cars of
air that are waiting about while their captains are entering
and spoiling the mighty cars of the men whose clothing is
red and whose bodies, so huge and amazing, are sleeping as
if from the fumes of a drug.

As these great red men are slumbering, the light-stepping
captains with sun-colored cloaks are finishing the work of
destruction. And now, swiftly though we came, the waters
have rushed on behind us, the salt breath of the
all-devouring deep sweeps over us. The sun-colored captains
enter their light air-cars and rise with a sweep that soon
leaves the sleepers, now waking, behind them. The huge
red-coated giants hear the roar of the waters and feel the
cold waves roll about them. They enter their cars, but only
to find all their efforts are wasted. Soon the crumbling
earth no longer supports them, and all by an inrushing wave
are engulfed, drawn into the mouth of the sea, and the
treacherous ocean with roars as of pleasure in conquest has
claimed the last race of that Island.

But one has escaped of all the red giants, and slowly but
surely his car sailed up, up, as if to elude the sun-colored
men who were spoilers.

Then, loud, clear, and thrilling swelled out a note of
marvelous power from my captain, and back came a hundred of
those brilliant fast cars that were speeding off eastward.
Now they pursue the heavy, vast, slow-moving car of the
giant, surround it, and seem to avoid its attacks. Then
again swells that note from my master as our car hung still
on its wings. It was a signal, obeyed in an instant.

One brilliant, small sharp-pointed car is directed full at
the red giant's vehicle. Propelled by a force that exceeds
the swift bullet, it pierces the other, itself, too, is
broken and falls on the waves with its victim. Trembling I
gazed down below, but my captain said kindly,

"He is safe, for he entered another bright car at the
signal. All those red-coated men are now gone, and that
last was the worse and the greatest."

Back eastward once more through the salt spray and the mist
until soon the bright light shone again and the Island rose
over the sea with the soft-singing water murmuring back to
the sun. We alighted, and then, as I turned, the whole
fleet of swift sailing cars disappeared, and out in the sky
flashed a bright streak of sun-colored light that formed
into letters which read:

"This is where the Rishis were before the chalk cliffs of
Albion rose out of the wave. They were but are not."

And loud, clear and thrilling rose that note I had heard in
the car of swift pinions. It thrilled me with sadness, for
past was the glory and naught for the future was left but a
destiny.



(Wm. Q. Judge)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 2:23 PM
To:
Subject Bible/SD Study: Noah, His Ark and the Flood

It's time to take a look at perhaps one of the most
universally known
stories in the entire world, that of the Great Flood. So
universal is
this tale that even those who can not accept any of the
religious
elements of the story have to admit that there is something
behind it. As
such this has been a favorite theme over the years. But just
as it is
universally known, it is also universally misinterpreted.
But once again,
THE SECRET DOCTRINE sets them straight.

It will take a while to get through all of this, as this the
second
"major" Bible story, the Creation being the first.

Just the Bible verses are quite involved. So I will post
them first for
all to read. But instead of just posting them "as is," I
want to share
some modern Bible scholarship as we do this. I had mentioned
that this
tale offers a good look at how the "redactor," the person or
persons who
actually assembled Genesis from the several versions
available at that
time, performed his cut and paste job. This story is the
skillful
blending of two very different tellings of Noah, his ark and
the flood.
These are denoted (J) and (P). I will simply give the entire
passage as
is in KJV but break it into paragraphs with the (J) or (P)
proceeding. If
your not interested in that breakdown, just ignore the (J)
and (P)s. I
hope some at least will read through the entire passage as
compiled and
the go back and read the two separate threads. (Read all the
(J)s in
sequence and then all the (P)s.)

It should also be noted that all scholars do not agree on
the exact same
breakdown of these verses (but what else is new) This is
given then for
the general idea of the thing, not as the final word. If I
remember
correctly, I copied these notations into my own study Bible
from the
ANCHOR BIBLE series.

This is Gen. 6:5 to Gen. 8:19.

(J) And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and
that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil
continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man
on the earth,
and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will
destroy man
whom I have created from off the face of the earth; both
man, and beast,
and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it
repenteth me
that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of
the Lord.

(P) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man
and perfect in
his generations, and Noah walked with God. And Noah begat
three sons,
Shem, Ham and Japheth. The earth also was corrupt before
God, and the
earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the
earth, and,
behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way
upon the
earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come
before me;
for the earth is filled with violence through them; and,
behold, I will
destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher
wood; rooms shalt
thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without
with pitch.
And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: the
length of the
ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty
cubits, and
the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make to
the ark, and
in a cubit thou shalt finish it above; and the door of the
ark shalt thou
set it the side thereof; with lower, second, and third
stories shalt thou
make it. And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters
upon the
earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life,
from under
heaven ; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. But
with thee
will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the
ark, thou, and
thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. And
of every
living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou
bring into the
ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and
female. Of
fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of
every creeping
thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall
come unto
thee, to keep them alive. And take thou unto thee of all
food that is
eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee, and for them. Thus
did Noah;
according to all that God commanded him, so he did.

(J)And the Lord said unto Noah, come thou and all thy house
into the
ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this
generation. Of
every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the
male and his
female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male
and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female;
to keep seed
alive upon the face of all the earth. For yet seven days,
and I will
cause it ti rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights;
and every
living substance that I have made will I destroy from off
the face of the
earth. And Noah did according unto all that the Lord
commanded him.

(P) And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of
waters was upon
the earth.

(J) And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his
sons' wives
with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
Of clean
beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and
of every
thing that creepeth upon the earth, there went in two and
two unto Noah
into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded
Noah. And it
came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood
were upon the
earth.

(P) In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second
month, the
seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the
fountains of the
great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

(J) And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty
nights.

CUT