Theos-Talk Archives (August 2002 Message tt00079)

For those interested in the scientific view of theosophy (or the theosophical 
view of science), I thought you might be interested in this recent discussion 
posted on one of the scientific forums studying consciousness and mind. 
(SCR-NewsViews@yahoogroups.com)
LHM

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In a message dated 08/06/02 4:16:40 PM, Dr.d@MegaSociety.net writes:

>LeonM., excellent defense of your idea, can you elaborate further on the
>rules governing "holosynchronicity". Dr.d

We might say -- in considering the idea that consciousness and matter are 
simultaneously originated, or as the Buddhists say, "dependently arisen" (or 
more accurately "interdependently ...") -- that the resultant universe of 
both material forms and the contents of consciousness are forever 
interconnected and thereby mutually holographic in nature. e.g.; The 
holographic fields of energy that constitute the metric forms of matter 
arising from the initial "spinergy" (or angular momenta of the primal 
pre-Cosmic zero-point singularity) and the multidimensional non-metric fields 
of descending frequency orders of energy that constitute memory and mind 
fields (of differing degrees or frequency-phase orders on both the cosmic and 
human levels) emanating or involving out of this spinergy -- are all 
"coadunate" and "coenergetic" (but not consubstantial). i.e.; These fields, 
being multidimensional and generated, one out of the other, in triple cycle 
spherical forms, like bubbles within bubbles within bubbles (ref: 
Superstring/M-brane theories) --all obey the same laws of "electricity" (such 
as periodicity, cycles, harmony, capacitance, inductance, resonance, 
holography, etc.). And, therefore, they receive and maintain their 
holographic images, as well as transfer those images from one coadunate field 
to another, in accordance with such laws.

[See my ABC web site for a further explanation of how these processes relate 
to visual perception -- as well as how holographic imagery is transformed and 
transferred from the sense organs to the brain, and from there to the mind 
and memory, and finally to the perceptive awareness, and how this process is 
essentially reversible when empowered by willful intent -- also inherent in 
the zero-point.] 

Since these essentially "electrical" processes are inherent in the nature of 
such fields and operate automatically with respect to the transfer of 
information (or contents of consciousness) from the senses to the brain, and 
thence to the mind and memory fields by holographic means -- we could refer 
to this entire gestalt as a form of auto-"holosynchronicity." 

Of course, this also implies that; What we experience as "awareness" of the 
image content of these fields would have to be entirely outside of time and 
space -- as well as be the inherent nature of the zero-point of cosmic 
origination (along with all reflected zero-points that are ubiquitous 
throughout the final stage of our metric space time continuum)... And, 
therefore, entirely subjective and beyond the purview of reductive material 
science. 

Such "reflected" points would be the centers of all such coadunate fields, 
and also "appear" at their adjoining junctures of energy transference from 
one field phase to another (i.e., at the extreme ends of their respective 
"electromagnetic" frequency spectrums). 

Note that from a multidimensional geometric-topological point of view, all 
such spherical coenergetic fields, composed of lines of force spinning and 
spiraling out from the zero point spinergy must, in essence, be triple in 
nature -- appearing in 2-D cross section (at any level of involution) as two 
adjacent circles within a surrounding circle... With each inner circle 
becoming in themselves, similarly triune -- ad infinitum. 

These points, incidentally, are where total "quantum" random indeterminacy 
would occur on any micro-or macrocosmic level; As such zero-points would be 
devoid of determinate holographic field information (which could rest only in 
the interference patterns of the wave forms themselves of each coenergetic 
field). But, they would retain the transferred holographic "information" (or 
contents of consciousness) encoded in the analogous interference patterns of 
the zero-point's infinite degrees of angular momenta (or "spinergy"). This 
would mean that no knowledge, information or contents of consciousness can 
ever be lost -- even when both the concrete matter and the less substantial 
consciousness fields (dual mind, dual memory, etc.,) ultimately resolve back 
(as the initial energy of the spinergy eventually runs down due, perhaps, to 
entropic counter forces of what can only be called "friction" between the 
image patterns of one field against that of adjacent fields) into their 
pre-Cosmic state at the end if the Cosmic cycle of existence, or when a 
conscious being dies, or when a material form is dissipated or resolved into 
its elements, and they, in turn, resolve into their "sub-elements" -- ad 
infinitum. 

We could say, then, if all this is the true nature of existence, that the ten
dency of spirit or consciousness (as awareness) is to materialize, and the 
tendency of matter is to spirituals (or become aware). This tendency could 
be called the "auto-synchronous" process that drives all involution of 
"consciousness" or Spirit which "in-forms" and guides the evolution of matter 
-- which, in turn, expresses or "out-forms" the involution of consciousness. 

Thus, being mutually interdependent, matter feeds on consciousness and 
consciousness feeds on matter. It follows that such "holo-synchronicity" 
would be the fundamental nature all existence -- which would include matter, 
its forms and its imagery (as holographic patterns of the energy of its 
accompanying coadunate and coenergetic fields) as well as its qualia or 
experiences of consciousness -- as the inherent nature of their all too 
"real" coadunate zero-points. (This might also explain the "action at a 
distance" as argued by Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen.) The only "illusion," then, 
would be the mistaken belief or false conception that the metric physical 
world (that we can only experience secondarily through the transformative 
path through our senses, brain, mind and memory fields) is the only reality. 

Thus, the universe could be considered as a cosmic "soup" in which all the 
raw ingredients, while capable of being cooked, never lose their essential 
individual beness, essence, or things in themselves. This includes both 
material forms as well as the wave-patterned "contents of consciousness" -- 
which could be considered as things, but occurring in different 
frequency-energy phase states of multidimensional existence... And, would 
also include the experiences of consciousness related to these "things" -- 
since the zero-points with their inherent absolute awareness would always 
remain as the unchanging roots of everything changeable. 

Following the laws of harmony, these multidimensional space-phase state 
relationships of matter fields and their higher order images would be 
geometrically analogous to the nature of musical notes and octaves on a 
grand, although subtly transcendent, scale... The "Harmony of the Sphere's," 
so to speak, as noted by the ancient alchemists -- whose "philosophers stone" 
was simply the symbol of the knowledge that all "things" were both material 
(substance) and conscious (Spirit) -- although existing on various levels or 
phases of substantiality and conscious awareness -- gained by long experience 
through infinitudes of evolutionary changes and growing complexities of form. 
Humanity stands at the highest level where we become finally conscious of 
our own consciousness and, ultimately, can merge our awareness with that of 
the initial causeless cause, primal singularity, or impersonal godhead... The 
"return to Eden," so to speak. 

And, thus, the circle of our worldly existence is closed (or asleep)... To 
awaken again at a higher level of awareness at the next cycle of evolution 
and involution -- eternally empowered by the dual gravitational and 
anti-gravitatonal forces of reality (repulsion and attraction, push and pull, 
etc.), as they periodically (cyclicly and autosychronously') balance and 
unbalance.

Leon Maurer
http://tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/ABC_bw.html

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: leonmaurer@aol.com 
> To: SCR-NewsViews@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCR-NewsViews] Cream of Consciousness Soup
>
> If I may comment below...
>
> In a message dated 07/14/02 3:00:12 AM, stonjek@ozemail.com.au writes:
>
> >Angell O. de la Sierra:
> >I am sure you realize your model is premised upon the structure of a 
> >hypercomplex reflex arc. At completion you will have told the story of 
> >life, death and passions of your robot. I wish I could be more successful
> >in convincing bright minds like yours to take a quick look at least 
outside
> >the "easy problem" of awareness (first order consciousness) to realize
> >that knowledge about self-consciousness will NOT emerge, even asympt- 
> >otically, the better we get at understanding the 'easy problem'. I find 
Ms. 
> >Jane's whole body holographic approach most pertinent and yet sort of 
> >dismissed as irrelevant to 'consciousness' by other members of the list.
> >
> >RKS:
> >Thanks Dr.d (abbreviation as on your web page). My model was only meant
> >to demonstrate that adding an evolutionary vector to models of 
consciousness
> >could not only make them more comprehensible, substantial, and offer an
> >empirical grounding, but that some of the branches of consciousness study
> >that are still very much out on their own can be brought closer into a
> >single model.
>
> Unfortunately, none of the models based on the idea that consciousness
> evolves out of the complexity of matter will ever be consistent with those 
> models that assume consciousness (in its fundamental attribute of 
awareness)
> is an a-priori aspect of universal origin along with, or even preceding,
> matter... And that both are full blown in their potential at the 
> "beginning"... And, the only thing that evolves are the *forms* of matter 
and 
> the *contents* of (or universal knowledge gained by) consciousness -- in 
the 
> long, interdependent, side by side involutionary and evolutionary 
processing
> of both matter and consciousness simultaneously. e.g., As consciousness
> gains more intricate knowledge, matter gains greater complexity and 
diversity
> of form. We might call this process "holosychronicity."
>
> >If AI researchers, for instance, look at an evolving consciousness rather
> >than a set of instructions that emulate consciousness then we may end up
> >with a conscious or conscious-like computer that follows the same 
evolutionary
> >vector that we do. In other words, the AI model that comes onto the 
market
> >right after the AI computer that is 'just like a human' will be like a
> >future human, not just a faster, smarter computer.
>
> Not If consciousness per se does not evolve, but precedes matter and
> involves within it... Then, such a course of robotic development can only 
lead
> to further and further diversion between consciously feeling humans and
> non-feeling and non conscious, ultra-smart robots that will eventually,
> through their technological manipulations of matter, take over all the
> calculational, computational and constructional chores of mankind... And 
then 
> it, as a whole, can finally get back to the simplicity of living together 
in 
> peace, brotherhood and prosperity -- in accordance with natural processes
> and experiencing uplifting human feelings that no computer-robot (working
> its ass off 24 hours a day :-) will ever be able to emulate.
>
> >'Holographic' is a word that has become popular, but the phenomena that
> >it refers to in the minds of those using the term for describing 
consciousness
> >is quite different from the word as used to describe simple three 
dimensional
> >imagery using the interference patterns of coherent light.
>
> Holographic, as used (in the model based on consciousness and matter as a 
> fundamental a priori unity) to describe the "contents" of consciousness, 
or 
> the 3-D "images" we see, singularly, in our mind's eye, operates under the 
> identical principles (in the higher order field of visual consciousness) 
as 
> "the interference patters of coherent light" on the space-time continuum
> field. The only difference is that the frequency order or phase of such
> inner light is on a level of one of the higher enfolded fifth or higher
> zero-point fields similar to those postulated mathematically by 
> Superstring/M-brane theories, and logically arrived at (by analogy and
> correspondence) in my ABC Theory... This theory assumes all such fields
> begin at a primal zero-point "singularity" that emanates its energy 
spirally
> outward from its primal *spinergy* (of infinite potential angular momentum
> or potential energy) into multidimensional fields of descending orders of
> frequency, radiant energy, magnetism, and mass-energy... With Time, being
> a variable measure of change in all such fields beginning with its first
> infinitesimal instant of near infinite frequency in the highest field of 
> consciousness, and descending to the lowest gravitational frequency wave
> of our space time continuum.
>
> >My 'soup' analogy is closer to the consciousness version. Consider the
> >cauldron over the open fire. Into it we place various ingredients - 
carrots,
> >potato, herbs and spices, etc. Let the soup be 'Cream of Consciousness'.
> >
> >On the one side we have clearly separate and highly detailed (to the 
observer)
> >ingredients that seem unrelated. On the other side we have a bowl of soup
> >that has the essence of all the ingredients. On one side, every bit of
> >the ingredients are different to look at. On the other, every bowl of
> >soup is the same.
> >
> >Well, not quite the same for consciousness. The soup changes with time.
> > The combining of any two sensory inputs follows the high resolution, 
highly
> >detailed input and the vague global output. The hyper complex reflex arc
> >is how the simple brain makes sense of this soup. It learns what 'tastes'
> >good. Any new ingredient (new sense) simply changes the flavour slightly
> >for the next generation.
> >
> >But there is really no limit to this combining. A few sensors in the 
Aplysia,
> >or all the sensors and effectors of a human. To continue the analogy,
> >by placing a bowl of the last soup brewed in with the ingredients of the
> >next batch, we have the required feedback.
> >
> >In a real brain, the highest level of blending is too vague to be of any
> >real use in a moment to moment consciousness except as a background
> > feeling. But one can see that regardless of how highly detailed and 
elaborate
> >the input - one small bowl tells the whole story!
>
> Unfortunately, this is a false analogy, since the experience of 
consciousness
> or qualia in the tasting of each raw ingredient that went in the soup, 
could 
> never be added up to the experience of consciousness related to the tasting
> of the final cooked soup. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Leon Maurer