Theos-Talk Archives (August 2002 Message tt00050)

Hi Leon and all,

Well Leon we are not really disagreeing, at least I don't see it so.

But, my point is, that it is not so easy to make any proofs - especially spiritual or theosophical ones - in physical writing. Just like the astral voices can be misleading, so can the physical writings in emails.

It is not easy to make any proofs because of the of the '7 keys' (The Secret Doctrine and elsewhere) always being used to a certain degree, and the need for - the necessary Spiritual experience of the reality behind the teachings of the wisdom tradition and I here include some - if not most? - of HPB's teachings (on all 7 levels, not only the physical ones), because the reader can't really prove anything by reasoning alone - or the so- called proof will be of a highly limited kind. 

In the world of duality it is always possible to raise a view opposite the written. - It seems important how the reader reacts on a discussion on theosophy or the Wisdom Tradition - and not only who is right or wrong in the debate. 

So you see Leon my point is - that
The below intention is allright. But if misunderstood, then it is not.
Communication is easy and difficult at the same time.

There are as many paths to enlightenment as there are souls. Not everyone follows the - 'dead letter' teachings - which some Theosophical schools of today have difficulties to avoid.

For instance - are some people Sufis (Middle Eastern spiritualists or followers of the wisdom tradition) and follow a quite different pattern than thelower kinds of dead letter Theosophical teachings. Different languages andcultures sometimes makes different kinds of spiritual teachings.

Theosophy is - Experience - more than it is based on 'fundamental principles' written in english. 
Right ?

And I can see that I agree a lot with Dallas in his latest email on the same issue.

The proces towards enlightenment can be fast, and is not necessarily slow. Why think slow ? Think fast. And think patience. And think intensity. That is much better.
Positivity is better than negative thoughts like - it takes a long time to become enlightened.
Havn't anyone heard of the Doctrine of Sudden enlightenment ? Some of the Vedanta Advaitins use it.

What does Theosophy offer ?
Many newcomers are just offered a sort of New Bible to read : "The Secret Doctrine".
No wonder, that we have the present very confused situation on this planet.
The students should learn, that there are many theosophical 'bibles' out there. Some are good, some not - and that it depends on the right timing, theright place, the right situation etc. for the reading, which one is good !
And a great number of the REAL spiritual high quality writers wern't members of The Theosophical Society or any of the offshots of it !
That must be a surprise to the Orthodox Theosophists, with their bedtime pet - The Secret Doctrine.

HPB has not been the only messenger.
I bet that for instance Martin Luther King jr. had a message. But when willpeople start listening ? Mother Teresa also had a message. They went with Christ.

The Secret Doctrine is important, but not that important. Well, that is my view.
Emotional reactions can be important. But the ought to be controlled.

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Does Theosophy Have Core Doctrines?


> 
> In a message dated 08/04/02 7:58:58 AM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk (M. 
> Sufilight) writes:
> 
> >The saying goes: The initiated walks in the world, but is not of the world.
> >One could say that to ParaBrahman or the Initiated "the Fundamental 
> principles"
> >is only an inferior or lower kind. To base ones view ONLY on these 
> >"Fundamental principles" - would certianly be wrong OR of a lower level.
> 
> If the so called "Initiated" is one who has traveled the "theosophical path" 
> toward the attainment of enlightenment -- then that initiate is a 
> "Theosophist" who could not have gotten to where he can be one with Parabrahm 
> unless he fully accepted, right from the start to the end of his path, the 
> truths of the three Fundamental Principles of Theosophy -- as outlined byHPB 
> in the PROEM of the SD.  
> 
> If the "fundamental principles" were of an "inferior or lower kind" (of 
> truth, presumedly) -- then, the path of that "initiate" would have been a 
> false one, and his/her being "not of the world" would be just a figment of 
> his/her own imagination.  
> 
> Naturally, there is more to attaining enlightenment than solely a belief in 
> the fundamental principles. It takes long and arduous study and effort as 
> well as application over many lifetimes to achieve such a state of awakening 
> as well as prove to oneself the validity of those principles. Therefore, 
> they would always continue to stand as the rock upon which all knowledge of 
> ultimate reality would rest -- without contradiction and with perfect 
> consistency -- linking spirit with matter in one grand symmetry.  
> 
> If that were not so, then the "initiate" HPB, whom we follow as the 
> "messenger of the Masters," would have changed them to suit a different 
> understanding of the reality which those initiates, adepts and masters, as a 
> group, experience... (And which we, as a group, must understand and 
> experience similarly, if we are to ever become initiates, as well as 
> side-by-side "workers" or "companions" in the common cause of attaining 
> "Universal Brotherhood" for all of mankind -- the ultimate goal of the 
> theosophical movement.)  
> 
> LHM
> 
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