Theos-Talk Archives (July 2002 Message tt00041)

>One might want to COMPARE what Frank writes above with, for example,
>the following review of one of Douglas' books on Mueller:
>
>See http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p40_Douglas.html
>
>Daniel Caldwell


Thanks for additional information. My humble comment:

1. The IHR you link to is a revisionist or rather a Neo Nazi organization.
2. The IHR refers to David Irving that the US files on Gestapo Mueller are
fake, but Irving is regardes as a Neo Nazi who said that no Holocaust and no
extermination on the Jews happened.
OTOH, from the Mueller interrogation there is clear confirmation from
Gestapo Mueller that that happened.
Why do the Neo Nazis and the oligarchy establishment historians co-operate
in the Mueller case either by covering up or by desinformation? Both have an
interest that the Mueller files and diaries are not researched because the
cardhouses of both would break down, for the Neo Nazis that a Holocaust
happened and for the establishment that the USA were working with the Nazi
elite.
BTW, it was David Irving who, when in 1983 the ill-famed faked Hitler diary
was presented was the first expert who affirmed for 100% that there were
true. That's the background for their headline "Not quite the Hitler
diaries".
3. In the critic above there are no hard facts, only opinions and blah blah,
to give some examples:

- "My view that the Gestapo Chief series is an elaborate hoax is based not
only on an examination of the books themselves," :

Which exactly???

- "but on lengthy telephone conversations with the author. From these talks,
I can attest that "Gregory Douglas" is intelligent, loquacious,
knowledgeable, and literate, but also amoral, evasive, and vindictive. Those
who have spoken at any length with him are struck by his chronic cynicism --
a trait that, interestingly enough, is reflected in the words he attributes
to Müller throughout the Gestapo Chief series."

That is no argument. If someone calls me asking me for comments on the
Coulomb case he perhaps would also say that I am that kind of cynical amoral
and evasive person, because he will not accept that someone tells the truth
which contradicts his own projections and selffulfilling prophecy.

-"The man who crafted this series of books is a known fabricator of
documents who has used a variety of names over the years, including Peter
Stahl, Samuel Prescot Bush, and Freiherr Von Mollendorf. His real name,
apparently, is Peter Norton Birch or Peter Norwood Burch."

The use of pseudonyms is no proof that someone is a liar.

-"David Irving, who is probably more familiar with wartime German documents
than any other living historian, dismisses Gestapo Chief as "a carefully
crafted historical novel." Some years ago, Irving says, "Peter Stahl" tried
to sell him forged documents."

When Neo Nazi Irving says the Mueller interrogation is a fake it it perhaps
because Mueller affirms that Jews were killed.

-"Perhaps the most obviously suspect feature of the Gestapo Chief series is
that the author will not permit any independent examination of his
"original" documents."

That is no proof that they are faked. Also most of the Nazi documents who
are usually believed as true are not accessible to the public or to
historians. Most if not nearly all Holocaust literature is bases on xerox
copies or microfilm copies of alleged Nazi documents. Next to no one has
seen the originals in US possession, but nevertheless the Holocaust
literature is common believed.

-"(To be sure, not all the documents he presents are fraudulent. To add
credibility to his book, "Douglas" includes, among his forgeries, a number
of indisputably authentic wartime documents.)"

That means those documents which not contradict the official version are
authentic and those who give another picture are faked...

- "During one telephone conversation, "Douglas" told me with some pride that
his book would soon be coming out in German, and that the 1948 Müller
interrogations were being translated into German. But how, I asked, was that
possible, given that (as Gestapo Chief readers are told) these
interrogations took place in German and the "original" transcripts are
already in German. The normally suave and loquacious "Douglas" was at a loss
for words."

As the author stated in his books these interrogations where retranslated
into English for US military and a German version was for Mueller's private
use. It is unknown what happened with this German version. The English
version went into US possession in Ft. Meade, Maryland and elsewhere.

- "Characteristic of this entire series is the clearly fraudulent "facsimile
document" of April 20, 1945, presented on page 275 of Gestapo Chief. This is
actually the author's second, "corrected" version. The first appeared with
an article he wrote for the spring 1990 issue of The Military Advisor, a
magazine issued by the same firm that publishes Gestapo Chief. But whereas
the "SS" characters are rendered in this earlier "facsimile" as normal
typescript letters, they are rendered in Gestapo Chief as "lightning bolt"
runes."

The fact that another version of this document was published earlier without
the SS runes is no proof that this document not available is fake. US
authoroties made several copies from German documents and US type writers
usually :-) did not have rune types so it would be quite natural that an US
transcript has no runes.
No mention is made abou the content of that document.

- "How did these amazing documents come into the author's possession? In
Gestapo Chief, the first volume of the series, "Douglas" tells the reader
that "In the early 1980s, by means that are not of concern here, all of
Müller's personal files came into private hands." Later "Douglas" claimed
that Müller personally gave him these extraordinary documents (Spotlight,
Jan. 6, 1997). In another Spotlight interview (Nov. 9, 1998), "Douglas"
claimed to have met Müller in 1963, and to have known him well until his
death in 1983. Remarkably, no mention of this twenty-year relationship
appears in volume one of Gestapo Chief."

That is also no proof that the documents are faked.

- "To credit Douglas' fantastic yarns requires one to accept that Hitler's
personal and political testaments of April 29, 1945, are phony, and that all
those who were with him in the final days in the Berlin bunker, and who
survived the war, conspired for decades in a lie to hide the German leader's
escape to Spain."

Wrong. The lower co-workers conspired not but were true believers in the
official theater and thought what they saw: That Hitler and Eva Braun
committed suicide in the bunker. What they did not knew is that these
persons who appeared as Hitler and Eva Braun were doubles. Hitler has had
three doubles who hold even public lectures etc.
What IHR not says is that Hitler's chief secretary Christa Schroeder reports
in her book that he once told (around 1943, I am writing from memory) her
that he will never fall into the hands of the enemy and that he has arranged
things that after the war when Germany is occupied the enemy he will start a
resistance movement from a hideout the Allied will never find.

Further Hitler said that it was clear for the German government since end of
the 1920's when all their level-headed disarment suggestions in the League
of Nation were rejected by the Allied that a new World War would happen and
for that reason the helpless and frustrated democratic politicians helped
him to come to power to counteract the new round up of Germany. Therefor,
there was no reason for Hitler to commit suicide.

- "Hans Baur, Hitler' pilot; Traudl Junge, the secretary who typed Hitler's
final testament; the pilot Hanna Reitsch; Otto Günsche, Hitler's personal
adjutant, who carried the body of Eva Braun from the bunker up to the
courtyard where it was burned; Erich Kempka, the chauffeur who helped burn
the bodies of Hitler and his wife;"

Fact is that the corpes of Hitler and Braun were never found. That is not
what Nazis say, Leon, that is what every historian says. It is common
knowledge that the head in Moscow is not Hitler's as an X-Ray of his teeth e
xists and the teeth in Moscow are surely too bad to be Hitler's. Also the
photos made by the Red Army of the dead Hitler and only half burned body
clearly show that it was not he as the double has edged ears like Spock and
the true Hitler had round ears. Also this dead Hitler has a hole in his
socks and Hitler never weared holed socks.
Leon, that I say that Hitler did not wear socks with holes in it does not
imply that I am a fan of Hitler. And when I say that Emma Coulomb never shot
with a gun on HPB it does also not imply that I am a foe of theosophy.

- "Some of these witnesses were questioned by British historians Hugh
Trevor-Roper and David Irving; others, during Soviet captivity, by the
Russians. Their stories tally."

But it is well known by experts that guys like Trevor-Roper, Irving and
Henry Picker, Hermann Rauschning etc. are fakers and produced interviews
which never happened. This is common sense among insiders.

- "Finally, it is utterly implausible to believe that Hitler would have
vanished without trace after arriving in Spain, and that not a single one of
the many persons who would have noticed his arrival there has ever spoken of
it."

This implies that all what happens in the world is known by all people.
Contrary, if Hitler has left traces they would say these traces are faked.

Further arguments:

1. The first two vol. in German were consored by German authorities, by the
state attorney in Starnberg, Bavaria.
This is a clear proof how dangerous these books are for the establishments.
Were the book fake nobody would care for them.

2. The Simon Wiesenthal Center believes the Mueller files are true.

3. Two German newspapers who are Jewish friendly reported about the Mueller
files, stating they are true: The Frankurter Allegemeine Zeitung on Febr 28,
2001 and the Neue Zuricher Zeitung on April 30, 2001.

4. The official Mueller grave in Berlin Kreuzberg was opened on Sept. 25,
1963. The official legend is that Mueller died in 1945 in a street fight
with the Russians. These exhumation was requested by West German Ludwigsburg
Center who deals with ex Nazis for prosecution and they had information that
Mueller survived 1945.
The pathological examination proved that the man was not Mueller but were
the remains of three different men.

5. Both Hitler and Mueller were on warrant by Interpol at least up the
1970's.

I am not the defender of the Mueller case and I have no problem with it when
they are a fake. But up to I have not heard of any facts that speak against
the books.
Frank