Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00062)

Hi all of you,

Maybe you will lead us as a "Mahatma Gandhi" in this struggle Bart ?
What alternative do you give us to follow ?

Make a sit-down demonstration - in front of the parliment buidling in India, and see if there won't be any results. 
Theosophy as such could participate, but they most likely will not, officially -- that is ! Or am I mistaken here ?


I can only encourage such an action.


TRY THIS from a friend of mine called Christ:
As Christ said it: Luke 12 :
" The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
[24] Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither havestorehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
[25] And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
[26] If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
[27] Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
[28] If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?

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[29] And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
[30] For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
[31] But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
[32] Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
[33] Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
[34] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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[35] Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
[36] And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he willreturn from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
[37] Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them tosit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
[38] And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
[39] And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
[40] Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."

(Taken from King James online - edition - http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4609530)

So
W - A - T - C - H - i.e. watch

Watch your Words, Actions, Thoughts, Character, Heart ! 
Allright !

Don't hurt sweet cows and horses and the like. They are vegetarians, sweet and don't harm any.
Humans are in these days in general - evil, they kill not only animals but also their own kind.
O' let the cries and voices from the sages of ancient times not be in vain !

Did this help you, my friend ?

from
Sufilight with peace and love...and spiritual deepthroats with their sweet x-filebags....and all...<:-)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bart Lidofsky" <bartl@sprynet.com>
To: <UniversalSeekers@yahoogroups.com>; "Theosophy Study List" <theos-l@list.vnet.net>; <theos-talk@theosophy.com>; <ts-l@theosophia.org>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Theos-World When is Ahimsa not Ahimsa?


> This is being sent to the Theosophical mailing lists to which I
> subscribe, and being bcc'd to a number of Theosophists whose opinions
> are important to me. Obviously, nobody's perfect, and I have therefore
> ignored the tendency among many members to preach holism in matters of
> medicine and religion, but when it comes to politics, forget entirely
> about karma, and look only to symptoms. But, when I see this as being
> done in the name of the Theosophical Society or a related organization,
> I feel I must comment.
> 
> From a letter being circulated by Radha Burnier in the name of the
> Theosophical Order of Service:
> 
> > The Government of India is currently formulating its tenth five-year plan
> > and the meat sub-committee has recommended the development of the large
> > scale slaughter of animals. It wishes to encourage the export and 
> > import of meat and to promote the eating of flesh by Indians all
> > in the name of foreign exchange, economic development and modernization. 
> > As you can imagine, this is contrary to the country beautiful spiritual 
> > tradition ahimsa and represents a further step down the path Western 
> > nations have taken of the industrial exploitation of animals without
> > regard for the environment and human health.
> 
> Now, let's examine that statement. India is a country with extreme
> poverty and a lot of starvation. Now, while vegetarianism is an
> admirable show of ahimsa, and you are free to die for your ideals, it is
> a major violation of ahimsa to expect somebody ELSE to die for your
> ideals. And remember, the "beautiful spiritual tradition" of India also
> included an oppressive caste system which the Theosophical Society
> worked hard to eliminate. You cannot force evolution on people. 
> 
> > Radha asks us to write to the Prime Minister of India to express our
> > concern while there is still time to do so. A limited period has 
> > been set by the Government for public consultation before the new
> > five-year plan is adopted. Radha believes that letters from members 
> > of the TS and TOS around the world, written either as individuals 
> > or as members of a TOS group or branch, will bring real pressure to 
> > bear on the Government.
> 
> What a wonderful idea. Let's stop poverty and starvation by WRITING
> LETTERS. If I had known it was that easy, I would have been hundreds and
> hundreds of letters. But I know that it is not that easy. Simply writing
> letters cannot stop poverty and starvation.
> 
> If you don't like what the Indian government is doing, come up with a
> viable alternative. But writing from the comfort of your homes, from a
> perspective of never having known involuntary hunger, is both arrogant
> and hypocritical.
> 
> Bart Lidofsky
> 
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