Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00024)

Hi all of you,

This is just a view:
Being interested in sufism, I can't really agree in the below remarks by P.A.A.

I hold, that to support Cultural Imperialism as the present government and other prevoius governments of USA and other countries has done it for years- is what HPB would have called "political corruption" !

I do NOT support cultural terrorism or oppression of other people by the use of the $ or another currency !
What others do is their business.

Here in the below are som words - to support a theosophical view. Anyone onthe list may agree or disagree on this as they want :


Sufi-schools Esoterical-schools
and Theosophy-schools




SUFI, ESOTERICAL and THEOSOPHICAL attitudes TOWARD RELIGIOUS and OTHER CULTS

1. True Sufis, Esoterists and Theosophists (in the following these three are mentioned as "Theosophists") - are opposed to fanaticism and closed minds, believing that
these lead to oppression.

2. Many cults using the name "Sufi", "Theosophical" or "Esoterical" have arisen over the centuries.
They have caused harm to their followers, and have, at times, given
the word "Sufi", "Theosophical" and "Esoterical" an undesirable flavour.

3. For the above two reasons, initial Theosophists activity has, for
centuries, aimed at explaining the nature of real Theosophists aims and also
at clarifying the undesirable effect of what today are called
conditioning systems.

4. It has been observed by scholars and others that the Theosophists are
almost alone in having assessed and described the two undesirable
factors referred to above. In so doing, they may have paved the way
for contemporary knowledge on mind-manipulation. While others, for
example, were still thinking in terms of "the Devil is behind cults,"
the Theosophists have pointed out the causes of cults as being purely
psychological.

5. Among the characteristics of a "false or misguided path," the
Theosophists have noted the following features which help to identify it:

i) The claim that the organisation is the sole repository of truth,
or is the only "path";

ii) The mistaking of emotional for spiritual states;

iii) Separation of the followers of the group from the populace at large;

iv) Failure to do one's human duty to everyone, regardless of such
people's confessional position;

v) The emphasis upon hope and fear, and upon reward and punishment;

vi) Material richness of the organisation, and especially of its leaders;

vii) The uniqueness of a leader, asserting superhuman or other
qualities or responsibility;

viii) Secretiveness as of major importance ;

ix) Inability to laugh at things which appear funny to people outside
the "path";

x) Employment of stereotyped techniques and/or rituals and exercises,
not adapted according to the principles of "time, place and people";

xi) "Idolatry": which includes investing people, animals or things
with a special meaning;

xii) "Teachers" who are themselves ignorant.

6. Theosophists do not actually oppose such cults, since Theosophists are tolerant:
but they find it essential to describe them, in order to show the
differences between cults and Theosophy, and to help to prevent people
interested in Theosophy from forming or joining such organisations or
groups.



INDICATIONS OF AN AUTHENTIC THEOSOPHY SCHOOL

First, elimination: the school, its teachers and students should be
observed for signs of the features (item 5, above) which identify a
spurious school. Second, it should be noted that the following are
among the marks of an authentic Theosophy school:

1. It does not restrict attention to any specific literature or
teachings, but expects its students to have a good knowledge of a
wide range of literature, while at the same time specialising in
appropriately measured studies.

2. It will be able to explain and interpret past formulations of the
Theosophy Way, as contained in the whole range of Theosophy literature.

3. It will be able to explain the process of supersession of materials.

4. It will not be culture- or language-based. That is to say, it will
not need to bring in, except at times for illustration or analogy,
words or practices belonging to cultures and/or language other than
those of the people among whome the Theosophists are working.

5. It will not use outlandish clothes (robes) or words, etc.,
extraneous to the local culture.

6. It will not accept slogans or "sayings" from past teachers unless
they have an illustrative function.

7. It does not use intonations, movement, music, etc., as a
quasi-religious ceremony or as a spectacle, but has knowledge of such
things as parts of a comprehensive system of applying stimuli.

8. It will neither claim to have a mission to teach everyone, nor
will it enrol everyone. It will first make sure that the interested
person has enough information and experience to come to a decision
about Theosophists and Theosophy in an appropriate manner.

9. It will make clear the nature of the "instrumental function" of
ideas, techniques, etc., rather than regarding them as immutable,
sacrosanct, "traditional," and so on.

10. It will deal with everyone according to capacity and character,
being neither benevolent nor the reverse: for kindness and cruelty,
while effective and understood in ordinary relationships, operate as
part of a conditioning system within a teaching or group situation.

 
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Feel free help me to enhance these points in the above.

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The number 7 is the esoterical 'key number' to our human development and evolution on this planet. Number 1 is said to be the highest number, which all other numbers comes from. 1+1+1+1+1.... etc.
To transcend thoughts on numbers are even better.

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from
Morten Sufilight with tears... and all...

 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P.A.A." <adijedi@yahoo.com>
To: <adijedi@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:02 PM
Subject: Theos-World These times...U.N. & Israel, the environment


> To follow on these thoughts
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> {With love it is wonderful to share perspectives on these
> times. Much has changed over the last fifty years and such
> predicted events as the spiritual birth initiation being
> administered publically to thousands and the Master Jesus
> gaining primacy influence over the global Christian
> churches have come to fruition. In the U.S.A. a true
> disciple of the Master J is now President and is working
> practically and fruitfully to increase freedom and finally
> seal the door where evil dwells. Through economic freedom
> and the promotion of good character (honesty and
> honorableness) physical plane issues are being resolved.
> 
> There are several significant war events still to occur
> (including a likely nuclear event) but this should be seen
> as a final release as there is no danger of a third world
> war.
> 
> Onward, as human activity increasingly heals the Earth on
> all planes.}
> 
> The spiritual perspective regarding the U.N. & Israel has
> somewhat shifted (almost reversed) over the last fifty
> years (for those who are students of theosophy or the
> A.A.B. books). Israel, being today a relatively free
> democratic nation which includes both Jews & Arabs is seen
> as a wonderful step forward and should be supported as a
> nation. The U.N. being largely composed of non-democratic
> plurality totalitarian regimes is to be limited and set on
> the sidelines. Although the ideal of international
> community is right & good it can come only through truth,
> decency and political/economic freedom. As is now
> increasingly known the environmental issues that so many
> organizations (such as the U.N.) are concerned about (i.e.,
> population, global warming, ozone hole, etc) are largely
> illusions and distractions from the work of promoting
> global economic well-being. 
> 
> In establishing true free trade and the elimination of
> totalitarian regimes much good will come along these lines
> and here the energies of good workers are in flow. This
> will encourage the healing of the U.N. and other positive
> physical plane healings. The practical material Plan at
> present is just such.
> 
> Love & Joy,
> P
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