Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00001)

Saturday, June 01, 2002

Dear MLR:

It most certainly will as I suggest in a post just made today.

However it is a matter of time. As I do not have the time to review
the details of the controversy --I have pointed to the INDEXES to ISIS
UNVEILED and The SECRET DOCTRINE where one will find (after diligent
research) al one needs to answer that question of veracity and
authenticity in terms of the HISTORY of the Great Lodge [ ISIS
UNVEILED II 98-103 ].

It is of course a great pity that so many have to deal with such a
partial account of religion and philosophy.

Best wishes,

Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: mlr [mailto:ult_blr@vsnl.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:35 AM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Re: Adam and Eve

Dallas,

Will not Larry's proposal to take up Genesis for bn discussion in
the
light of the S.D. bring out prominently before the world the
unreliability
of the Old Testament as it is now in its English translation, disabuse
viewers' minds of the absurdities of the theological dogmas, and
introduce
them to the true Universal Tradition of which Genesis is a distorted
fragment, passed on by the Church as "Divine Revelation" ? I think it
is
worthwhile project provided those who have studied the S.D. contribute
to
the effort. It will be bn contribution to reformation of the Christian
Church and a help to many good Christians in the world. All the
teaching
about Rounds and Races, cyclic evolution, would go over their heads
if
these are not taught with refernce to their own religious scriptures
with
which they are familiar--which is what HPB does in her writings. So
Larry's
project is I think is important.

Ramprakash.

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Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: [bn-study] Re: Adam and Eve


> May 23 2002
>
> Re the BIBLE as HISTORY -- Has it any veracity in it ?
>
> Re: the Mythology and Symbolism of Adam and Eve
>
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> Regarding the Bible and Adam and Eve.
>
> As I have learned from theosophy and a study of pre-history all
around
> the world, and not confined to the West alone, May I offer the
> following:
>
> First, the OLD TESTAMENT has been borrowed by the Christians (first
> the Byzantine and old Eastern Orthodox Church of the Slavic states
> including Russia, which did not go along with the Church of Rome)
from
> the Jewish sacred scriptures. It does not today treat the Jewish
> traditions as useful, respectable or valid. It has adopted its own
> bias and teaches it far and wide.
>
> You will recall that the early efforts to suppress the Gnostics were
> conducted by the early Bishops in the Middle East. The Gnostics of
> all groups carried the closest to original traditions of Jesus'
> ministry. The Church Of Rome developed the agenda of mind-control.
>
> Eventually the Protestant reformation against its excesses cause the
> great divisions we now have starting with Germany (Luther),
> Switzerland (Calvin), Scotland , England, (Henry the 8th), The
James
> Ist translation of the Latin and the Greek Bible into English
provided
> those who were of the protestant persuasion with a basis for
> independent reading, thinking and adopting of unilateral and
sectarian
> opinions and small churches of various kinds sprang up all over the
> place.
>
> This is what we are faced with now.
>
> Primarily, no reliance can be placed on the ENGLISH LANGUAGE BIBLE.
>
> There are too many discrepancies. Read in FOHAT the 2nd Article
THE
> ORIGINS OF CHRISTIANITY In the Spring 2002 issue, Vol. 6, Number
1.
> just received. Read what H P B wrote 125 years ago in ISIS
UNVEILED.
>
> No, the Christian religion has only an antiquity of some 2,000 years
> and was borrowed from the Jews without their agreement. It is the
new
> boy on the block, when one compares it with Hinduism or the ancient
> Taoism of China, or the Esoteric Schools of Tibet, Mongolia and
> Central Asia, or with Zoroastrianism -- I mean the original antique
> religion and sciences of the Medes, the Mages of Babylon, and the
> Farsis. Those Schools have an antiquity of a million years says the
> SD.
>
> Even Buddhism, so called, for it is not a religion, but a philosophy
> and a discipline that leads to spiritual realization and final
> emancipation from the clinging desires of an embodied life, it is
> about 2,500 years old and is contemporaneous with the efforts of
> Pythagoras, Manco Capac, the last of the Zoroasters, and with
Lao-Tzu
> and Confucius.
>
> So we need not worry too much about the mangled symbology of the
> Bible, and certainly not of the truncated version of evolution found
> concealed by the Kabalists of Judaea and reproduced inaccurately in
> what we now seem to treasure as an exposition of the past.
>
> Serious study of history and pre-history ought to be called for.
> Theosophy deals with these matters that are far more valuable than
> those found in the English BIBLE.
>
> So I suggest we acquire some accurate view of the real history of
our
> Planet and its development ( The SECRET DOCTRINE will give us
that),
> and forget about trying to resurrect the shattered remains of the
past
> viewed through cracked and distorted lenses.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dallas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lady Firla [mailto:lilaroma@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:43 AM
> To: study@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Adam and Eve
>
> Hi Larry -
>
> I think that this is a fantastic bible/study project, and I
sincerely
> hope
> that you continue with it!! :)
>
> Until this topic came up, I hadn't read the book of Genesis for many
> years,
> and as some of the comments have pointed out, there are many
> inconsistencies
> contained there...
>
> I am sure that I am not alone in the fact that when I originally
read
> these
> biblical passages, it was in an organized religious setting where I
> was
> supposed to be "learning about what I was being taught" rather than
> "thinking about what I was reading"... The bible was portrayed as
the
> literal truth - period. We were not taught to take notice of any
> inconsistencies, and any that were accidentally stumbled upon were
> immediately downplayed and diverted into childhood oblivion...
>
> The Genesis that I'm re-reading today is quite different than I
> remembered
> it to be - filled with far more questions than answers... And most
of
> the
> SD references that have been mentioned so far are completely new to
me
> also... So, it's taking a bit of time to contemplate and digest
> everything
> - to re-evaluate the old and incorporate the new, so to speak...
>
> I guess I'm just trying to say that just because there hasn't been
an
> abundance of comments flying in yet, doesn't mean that there won't
> be - me
> thinks that there are a lot of wheels spinning behind the scenes!!
:)
> All
> of your efforts are greatly appreciated, Larry - thank you! :)
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Debbie :)
>
>
> >From: Larry F Kolts <llkingston2@juno.com>
> >Reply-To: study@blavatsky.net
> >To: study@blavatsky.net
> >Subject: [bn-study] Adam and Eve
> >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:12:16 -0400
> >
> >I have been admonished to "go slow" with this Bible/SD project. It
> is
> >one thing to go slow and quite another to be at a dead stop, which
is
> >where I feel we are at this point.
> >
> >What should we be doing? Why are none of our regulars commenting on
> this?
> >Adalasie?
> >Gopi? Christina? Dallas? John the Goldsmith? Thomas of Kansas? What
> say
> >ye?
> >
> >Is everyone following Ramprakash's lead and simply trying to digest
> >material but not commenting?
> >
> >Are all waiting for me to make the next move?
> >
> >Does everyone thing this entire thing is a waste of time and
effort?
> >
> >Please let me know so I know where to go from here.
> >
> >When Peter was introducing "Fohat" and other very difficult
material
> from
> >Cosmogenesis, there was a flurry of comment. Now that we are
> attempting
> >Anthropogenesis, which I thought was not anywhere as difficult,
there
> is
> >near silence.
> >
> >Am I supposed to be posting my correlations as I have started and
> >everyone else is going to simply sit back and read the material as
if
> >this were a lecture of sorts? that would be all right if that's
what
> you
> >want. But at this point I just don't know what to do.
> >
> >I posted a list of environmental topics a few weeks back and no one
> has
> >even acknowledged that (except Dallas) yea or nay. So what gives?
> >
> >Do we have interest here or not?
> >
> >Hope to here from some of you soon.
> >
> >I jusr keep thinking of the comments Louis gave Bruce, that this
was
> >worthwhile material but would be lost on the members of this list.
I
> hope
> >he was wrong, but I'm beginning to wonder.
> >
> >Jesus taught that the true leader was but the servant of those he
> led.
> >That's my vision of my role. No authority here, only to do the
> bidding of
> >the group. So advise me.
> >
> >Larry
> >
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