Theos-Talk Archives (May 2002 Message tt00174)

>May 15 2002

>Dear Bruce:
>
>Purely my speculation.
>
>I do not think Theosophy measures civilization by its material stance
>or so called progress.
>
>Probably in terms of Karma: it would be measured only in terms of
>compassion, generosity, brotherhood, wisdom, and a careful attention
>of neighbours for the needs and problems of their other neighbours,
so
>that the whole of humanity would function as one great integrated
>family, finally.
>
>A brotherhood of immortals who knew they were IMMORTALS and had the
>care of the universe and of their "younger brothers" -- the Monads of
>lesser experience very much in their thought and care.
>
>Politics, religions, and other social divisions would disappear and
>only the spiritual condition of the embodied Ego would be of
>consideration. And everyone would know and understand the other
>without the intermediary of confusing language and customs.
>
>The eternal (infernal) constant valuing of things in term of money
and
>a ferocious demand for compensation in reciprocity would vanish.
>
>What feeds that ? Desire? Greed? Pride? Authority? The results
>are ignorance, poverty, need, health problems and uncared form
>disability. Its all around us and those who can do something towards
>its alleviation. And expect no recognition or reward -- as Krishna
>suggests in the BHAGAVAD GITA .
>
>Is this idealist froo-frah -- Yes but why not? If we are convinced
of
>our immortality then, when do we start acting and behaving as
>immortals?
>
>Technology has no value in itself. Look around us do you think our
>PAPER and our TAPES and our electronic WIZARDRY (technological
>wizardry) will survive 1, 000 years or even 500? Everything perishes
>except the mental records passed down father to son -- and the
>records in the Astral Light and the Akasa which only Adepts have
>access to.
>
>What in our civilization other than tremendous intellectual knowledge
>(data without any heart to it) is worthwhile?
>
>Wars of politicians, of business empires, of ignorant people whose
>innate common sense is confounded and confused daily by the sly
>cunning and conniving priesthoods that fatten on the poor and the
>downtrodden, to squeeze even more out of them. Pitiless and
>heartless -- these are the devilish arts that are taught as virtues
>these days? Are they worth preserving? What will our descendents in
>retrospect think of the past 200 years ?
>
>Where are the IMPERISHABLE RECORDS we are leaving of our advances?
>Who cares?
>
>Look back, at the effect as narrated in The SECRET DOCTRINE, of the
>great cataclysms that over the course of slow centuries overwhelmed
>the physical presence of Lemuria and Atlantis. (Assuming that you do
>not blow them out of consideration because they are still treated as
>nonsense by "Science.") What records of any conquest has been
>beneficial.
>
>The great Alexandrian Library sacked and burned 4 times, innumerable
>monuments and records destroyed systematically year after year by
>ignorant, rampaging monks and priests.
>
>Where are the glories of Yucatan, of Peru, of Mexico, of Cambodia,
of
>the Mediterranean shores and cities ? Where are the ancient records
of
>Egypt? In the past 50 years the communist regime in China has
>destroyed untold treasures -- and only recently realized it was
>destroying its "honorable and marvelous "past."
>
>I look at the India I knew 40 to 60 years ago, including the British
>occupation, and realize there was some aspect of preservation
>prevalent there. Today I have frequent reports of chicanery and
>corruption, and fanaticism. where is the moderating hand? How is it
>that the unleashed and "free" India of these days fritters away its
>ancient lore in political bickering and feuds? Who takes care of its
>ancient records and monuments?
>
>In the light of this and many more evidences of destructive intent,
so
>widely dispersed, are we truly surprised that the Adepts have kept
>their records and Libraries secure and secreted away ?
>
>Look at the treatment given to Theosophy:
>
>Forget for a moment that tit is an historical synopsis of evolution
>and the process of man's maturation and think of the information that
>was given out for practical study, verification and use in the
>original writings of H P B ?
>
>Apart from learned "idiot savants" who decry and traduce Theosophy
the
>most -- and yet have NOT STUDIED IT, nor have they ANALYZED ITS LOGIC
>and considered the meticulous way in which its main TENETS interlock?
>And WHY do we witness the continual misunderstandings that surround
it
>?
>
>Why do people still desire to find if they can secure POWER
>( Personal power over others )) from its teachings ?
>
>I could go on, ranting a bit, but to what end. You know these things
>as well as I do.
>
>The nature of the future races will depend on their ability to
>control an master their emotions and their desires. The growth will
>be from Kama-Manas o BUDDHI-MANAS where compassion and wisdom-justice
>rules the Mind and guides the word. Then the need for "governments"
>"pollution control" "social adjustment" etc.. go by the board.
>
>But we have to begin somewhere? It is our evolution we are
>considering to take in hand.
>
>What criteria shall we adopt?
>
>How will be begin to apply them?
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Dal
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce F. MacDonald [mailto:b.macdonald@sasktel.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:19 PM
>To: Theosophy Study List
>Subject: RE: Environmental Issues and FREEDOM of individual choice.
>
>Dallas,
>
>At 05:53 AM 5/14/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >Perhaps the ideal is an agrarian civilization of great thinkers,
who
> >tend Nature and assist all beings on their own upward path -- and
> >employ in this, the wisdom of self-restraint and moderation. Yet
>none
> >of the acute attention to detail is ever to be omitted. It is a
> >constant companion of all our waking, conscious lives.
>
>Bruce: I sometimes wonder what the future of Fifth and Sixth Round
>humanity will look like. Will it be urban or agrarian, as you
>suggest? If
>we are able to perceive truths directly, will that lead to a higher
>form of
>technology or will we return to the land and be content growing our
>food,
>living in harmony with each other and the earth and sensing (and
>living
>with the knowledge) that All are One. Surely we will stop the
>pollution of
>the earth, we will use renewable resources. Will our bodies change
to
>reflect the changed inner being? Will we be clothed or naked, like
in
>a
>new Garden of Eden? Will there be disease of the bodies we do have
>then? If not, how will we die when it is time to die? -- just by
>recognizing it is time to change form and willing our departure from
>the body?
> Will we need to pay a lot of attention to detail, as you
>suggest,
>or will we perceive truths directly, in larger patterns, or a
>combination
>of the two?
> And how will we get to there from here? Will we evolve
>gradually
>in that direction or will it take a cataclysm of some sort, a dying
>off of
>much of the world's population to accommodate such a state of
affairs?
> I'm starting to speculate like you, Mauri, or at least to
ask
>questions.
>
> Peace, Bruce MacD
>
>


Dallas