Theos-Talk Archives (March 2002 Message tt00212)

Brigitte: "Bilocations is a myth, but out?of?body
experiences or OBE's are "real" and there not the
slightest reason why a person who rejects the theory
of the astral body should deny their 
reality.

Very true. It must also be said that if the
experience is terrestrial the experimenter can bring
back some item of information which can be verified
later and which could not have been acquired were the
experience not real. I have done this myself as have
many others who have experimented with this.

Without this verification the experience is
meaningless, which is why I am skeptical about people
who visualize Tarot cards and imagine that they are
"pathworking." There is no way to know for sure if
what they are doing is real or not.

The OOBE is a paradox, which indicates that the way we
perceive the world is not the way the world actually
is. It is less well known than other paradoxes, and
at the same time more interesting.

Brigitte: "if Daniel understood something about the
Ganzfeld theorie in spite that he name drops that
term, he would understand the above, but obviously he
doesn't.

I know what a Ganzfeld is, but what does it have to do
with the OOBE?

Brigitte: "One is not talking here about ordinary
force but about a special form of it that is not
recognized by physicists, a spiritual "force."

Not a problem. Force and matter are only meaningful
in relation to consciousness anyway.

Brigitte: "If the expression, "force" here really
referred to energy of some kind, it would have to be
quantifiable.

Yes, indeed. You probably know Edison experimented
with "weighing the soul."

Brigitte: "Let us ignore this objection and grant for
the sake of discussion that "force" her refers to
something that is real but not physical.

"Real" means potentially an object of consciousness,
and "not physical" means real but not in the class of
objects of consciohsness subsumed under the category
"physical." "Physical" objects I assume have
solidity. Magnetism is real and not physical.

Brigitte: "The conservation principle has been shown
by physicists to hold only for physical energy. If
there is a nonphysical energy, we have no right
whatever to say that the conservation principle
applies to it.

Come again? That is a new one on me.

Brigitte: "Incidentally, if we allow the concept of
this "force," there would be no reason to disallow a
concept of "spiritual entropy"; and just as usable
physical energy is constantly lost, so the same might
well be true of spiritual energy.

Entropy just means the disorder in the universe
increases over time. My office is a sterling example
of entropy.

Brigitte: "The conservation of physical energy does
not guarantee the continued, much less the eternal,
existence of particular entities.

The second law of themodynamics does not say that
energy is destroyed, merely that it is dispersed.

Brigitte: "What evidence is there that if our minds
were indeed composed of spiritual energy, and if this
energy were indestructible, that our individual minds
exist for ever?

Properly understood, our minds do not persist from
moment to moment. Only karma persists.



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