Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00094)

Dear Adelasie, (once again, very nice internet name)

Just a thought from the top of my head - I will answer
your email in more depth in the morn (it is 2.30am at
the moment). Imagine a corrleation between two
variables x and y - a seemingly simple cause and
effect. Now add a z axis - becomes more complicated.
What if there were a a, b, c, d, e, f, g, etc etc axis
- very complex indeed!!! You are right - just looking
at this has given me a headache. More in the morn.
Mic


--- adelasie <adelasie@surfari.net> wrote:
> Dear Mic,
> 
> Thanks for the explanation. What strikes me is the
> seeming 
> contradiction between causality and coincidence.
> Could 
> coincidence be causality only partially perceived?
> Could it be that 
> there is a pattern of cause and effect so vast and
> comprehensive 
> that even what seems to be a coincidence could be a
> part of that 
> pattern, but that the scope of the cause and effect
> relationship 
> might be beyond our ability to see?
> 
> Adelasie
> 
> On 5 Feb 02, at 3:16, Mic Forster wrote:
> 
> > Dear Adelasie,
> > It would be my pleasure, but this is my
> interpretation
> > and I am sure others see it differently (and
> that's
> > what makes this world great).
> > 
> > The best way to explain it would be to give an
> > example. Everyday I go to the same cafe to eat
> lunch.
> > When I enter there is invariably one or two
> customers
> > eating their lunch or drinking coffee. I order my
> meal
> > and sit down to eat it. Let's say this occurs at
> > 1.05pm. At approximately 1.07pm another customer
> > enters the cafe closely followed by several
> others.
> > These customers do not know eachother or have any
> form
> > of association. They have merely had the
> preconception
> > of enetering this cafe to eat lunch. At
> approximately
> > 1.20pm the cafe is once again quiet with myself
> > remaining and a few other customers. In the next
> ten
> > minutes two more customers enter to order their
> meals.
> > Then at approximately 1.35pm eight or nine
> customers
> > enter the cafe in close sequence and these people,
> > once again, have no relation to each other what so
> > ever. Given this my interpretation of
> synchronicity
> > would be a series of causally unrelated events
> > coinciding in time and space. 
> > 
> > A great scientist, though history has not proven
> him
> > so yet, Paul Kammerer went to a great deal of
> trouble
> > to scientifically document the phenomena of
> > synchronicty. He would sit for hours on a park
> bench
> > and record details of those who walked passed him,
> > such as age, appearence etc, to see if he could
> record
> > this phenomena of synchronicity. One day I too
> decided
> > to see if I could record it. Although I am sure my
> > methodology was somewhat flawed I did find that
> > casually unrelated events were occurring. My
> methods
> > were to sit in a public place, in this case the
> path
> > leading to the Opera House here in Sydney (thereby
> I
> > could get a diverse range of people from all over
> the
> > world), and note males over the age of 15 if they
> had
> > facial growth or not. Assuming facial growth was
> less
> > common than not having facial growth, I found that
> > there were extensive periods when there would be
> males
> > with no growth followed by short periods of males
> with
> > growth. As noted above my methodology was not
> entirly
> > sound (ie a bus load of Middle Eastern men could
> have
> > walked past hence adding bias to my results).
> > 
> > Perhaps I should quote a passage from Kammerer
> himself
> > and I am sure anybody who is reading this would
> have
> > experienced something similiar at some stage in
> their
> > life:
> > 
> > "On September 18, 1916, my wife, while waiting her
> > turn in the consulting rooms of Prof. Dr. J. v.
> H.,
> > reads the magazine "Die Kunst"; she is impressed
> by
> > some reproductions of pictures by a painter named
> > Schwalbach, and makes a mental note to remember
> his
> > name because she would like to see the originals.
> At
> > that moment the door opens and the receptionist
> calls
> > out to the patients: "Is Frau Schwalbach here? She
> is
> > wanted on the telephone."
> > 
> > Another example from Kammerer: "on November 4,
> 1916,
> > his brother-in-law went to a conert where had had
> seat
> > No. 9 and cloakroom ticket No. 9; the next day, at
> > another concert, he had seat No. 21 and cloakroom
> > ticket No. 21".
> > 
> > An example from my own experience: I was in the
> city
> > walking to go to a meeting when a homeless man
> asked
> > me for some change. I quickly felt in my pockets
> and
> > found no change so I apologised. He obviously did
> not
> > find this too sincere as he cursed at me as I
> walked
> > off. Feeling somewhat bad I returned later with
> some
> > change but he was no where to be seen. I went home
> to
> > prepare myself for an engagement that evening.
> Leaving
> > the house I was halfway to the train station only
> to
> > realise that I left my jacket at home.
> Consequently I
> > missed the train I planned to catch. The train I
> > eventually caught unexpectedly broke down at a
> station
> > and we had to alight for another train. On
> alighting I
> > noticed a $2 coin on the ground and I thought the
> > great wheel of karma was shining upon me. Once
> back in
> > the city I unexpectedly saw that homeless man
> again
> > and duly gave him the $2 I had found and a few
> more
> > coins I had in my possession.
> > 
> > Now in regards to synchronicity and theosophy.
> > Although I have not read extensively the
> theosophical
> > literature, what I have read indicates that the
> ego
> > returns to the physical body when it has had
> enough of
> > the spiritual world. To me this is completely
> > unsatisfactory and I hope I have either misread
> what I
> > have read or I haven't read enough. Presently, I
> am of
> > the opinion that we go through stages of our
> evolution
> > according to the law of synchronicity. That is, a
> > series of causally unrelated events coincide in
> time
> > and space to return us back to the physical plane
> or,
> > for that matter, any other plane. 
> > 
> > Another area which I am dissatisfied with is this
> law
> > of karma. Logically speaking, if I do something
> bad
> > then something bad will happen to me in return and
> > vice versa. Now we say as a conscious being we can
> > make the decision to do good and break the bad
> karma.
> > But how can this be broken? Logically, it would be
> > either an ever ending cycle where bad things
> > continuously happen to us or good things
> continously
> > occur. Presently, I am of the opinion that a
> series of
> > causally unrelated events occur that eventually
> lead
> > us to do either good or bad. Hence we get good and
> bad
> > karma.
> 
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