Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00330)

Dear Brigitte,

One can always depend on you adding your two cents worth! :) 

Brigitte, if you want to believe I have lost credibility, then go for 
it; believe it. 

But thanks for all your questions. I will look at your questions and 
try to understand them. But to answer them properly takes time. 
Maybe you are one to answer questions off the top of your head but 
unless I already know something about the subject I am not one to 
just blindly give any answer that comes into my head. 

I don't pretend to know all the answers, by any means. Serious study 
and research (not to mention just the time it takes to write 
soemthing) takes lots of time and energy. Maybe you have a 
shortcut! Tell us your secret. ;)

I wish I had more time to participate in all the lists. But it is 
difficult to keep up with just reading all the postings from all the 
groups I subscribe to.

For example, I have followed with a great deal of interest the debate 
between Jerry S. and Peter M. on Theos-l about atman, etc. but have 
found little time to add my two cents to the discussion. To properly 
answer some of Jerry's and Peter's and Ian's emails would require 
hours of study,thought and writing. I just don't have the time to do 
all of that. That reminds me that I haven't answered Ian's private 
mail to me from a week ago!!

You yourself have contributed so much material to Theos-Talk that I 
find it hard just reading all of your material. To actually 
understand it takes even longer. To reply to it in an intelligent 
way takes even longer.

Furthermore, many times in the last few months I have posted material 
relevant to what you have written and many times you simply ignored 
what I had written or you said I didn't answer 24 of your other 
points. So I see no rush to answer your email just because you want 
it answered quickly. Brigitte, remember patience is a virtue.

In the last twenty four hours alone, Steve, Bill and you have posted 
emails about me and my reasoning, etc. etc. To answer all of that as 
it should be properly answered would take hours and hours of thought, 
study, writing, etc.

I will contribute to the various discussions when I feel I can give 
something substantial and I have the time to do so.

And I look forward to other readers on this forum who might give 
their insights and "take" on what you have written. I am sure I am 
not the only one on this forum who can take a serious look at your 
claims, etc. 

Daniel
http://hpb.cc 


Brigitte wrote:

> Sorry to say Daniel but are we to believe your knowledge is indeed 
> that minimal in regards to TS history ?
> 
> Otherwise just finally tell us how and why/why not;
> 
> 1) Drugs might have been incorporated in the inner 
> teachings of the early TS regarding astral travel ?
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole? 
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> Pls quote evidence in case of A or/and B. Or if you just make it 
> up , then pls state so.
> 
> 2) Did't Blavatsky mentioned (as quoted twice already in my earlier 
> mails) "when a sacred beverage enabled him to leave his body' ? 
> 
> Did't Blavatsky mentioned the sacred "Sleep of *** " 
> an obvious reference to the Sleep of Sialam, a term used by 
> P.B.Randolph ?
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole? 
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> Pls quote evidence in case of A or/and B. Or if you just make it 
> up , then pls state so.
> 
> 3) A whole list of researchers claims drugs where used in the early 
> TS.(see my earlier 4 part mail on this subject), do have evidence 
> that proof this cannot be true ?
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole?
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> Pls quote evidence in case of A or/and B. Or if you just make it up 
> (your "reasoning"), then pls state so.
> 
> 4) What about the drugs claimed in the G.H.Felt's 
> experiments, and how do you explain these experriments ?
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole? 
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls quote evidence in case of A 
or/and 
> B. Or if you just make it up , then pls state so.
> 
> 5) Why would Rawsons report about Blavatsky (She had tried hasheesh 
> in Cairo with success, and she again indulged in it in this city 
> under the care of myself and Dr. Edward Sutton Smith, who had a
> large experience with the drug among his patients at
> Mount Lebanon, Syria. She said, 'Hasheesh multiplies
> ones life a thousandfold. My experiences are real
> as if they wer ordinary events of actual life. Ah!
> I have ean xplanation. It is a recollection of my former
> existences, my previous incarnations. It is a wonderful
> drug, and it clears up a profound mystery."
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole? 
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> Pls quote evidence in case of A or/and B. Or if you just make it 
> up , then pls state so.
> 
> 
> .
> 6) Why would Dr.Santucci state; "Keeping in mind the activities of 
> Blavatsky's and her followers in the Lamasry in the New York days, 
> are we actually confronted with asociety that was more 
> a "theourgia"and less a "theosophia" ?
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole? 
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> Pls quote evidence in case of A or/and B. Or if you just make it up 
> (your "reasoning"), then pls state so.
> 
> 7)What exactly is your opinion about the various historical issues 
> coverred by Mathiesen, and others in my following e-mail ; 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/4242
> 
> From your historical knowledge Pls. explain;
> 
> A) Not be true atole? 
> 
> B) Part of it true, and if so what part ?
> 
> Pls quote evidence in case of A or/and B. Or if you just make it up 
> (your "reasoning"), then pls state so.
> 
> Are you not going to send us a list of all the sources mentioned 
in 
> Deveney's small booklet on Astral Projection and the TS soon ? you 
> should have seen the World article there, it is listed by Deveney 
> there.
> 
> If Blavasky stated it herself that she took drugs, then why you 
keep 
> claiming she didn't, or do you now agree she did ?
> 
> You ask me to give the sources of the authors I quoted in the 
above, 
> but what is the reason for anybody to even continue the 
conversation 
> with you if your mails so far show a lack of knowledge of your own 
in 
> the subjects you want others to work and provide you with 
> information of.
> I did already answerred your first request by sending the four part 
e-
> mail quoted above, I certainly am glad to cooperate with you 
further 
> on that if you at least answer the above questions.
> 

> Thank you,
> Brigitte