Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00250)

Hi Daniel. 

The incident you cite below does not mention second hand smoke or even
first hand smoke, however the incident is suspect because Hartmann received
a personally dedicated and presumably autographed photograph of the Master.
This is the kind of behavior one would expect from Hartmann, but the
Masters do not act like beauty contest winners.......do they?

Bill

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> From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Steve's "second hand smoke" hypothesis
> Date: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:14 PM
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> Steve Stubbs wrote:
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> > If you read Wachtmeister's book you will find that
> > after she had been breathing Blavatsky's second hand
> > smoke for awhile she started seeing all sorts of
> > strange things, including peculiar phenomena
> > surrounding her cuckoo clock.
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> So Steve, you are now saying that HPB's "second hand smoke"
> was the cause of much of HPB's paranormal phenomena?
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> The cup and saucer and the brooch incidents were
> also probably caused by HPB's "second hand smoke"?
> 
> Steve, please give us your opinion of the following Franz Hartmann 
> experience:
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> "This morning at half-past eleven I went upstairs to Madame 
> Blavatsky's room and had a conversation with her in regard to
> society 
> matters. After this conversation the thought came in my mind to ask 
> her opinion in regard to a certain subject of which I had been 
> thinking. Madame Blavatsky advised me to apply to the Master 
> himself, to ask him mentally, and that the Master himself would 
> surely answer my question. A few minutes later she said she felt his 
> presence, and that she saw him writing. I must say that I too felt 
> his influence and seemed to see his face, but of course this 
> circumstance will carry conviction to no one but myself. 
> 
> "Just then another lady came in, to my great annoyance, and expressed 
> her wish to have a pair of pincers, which she needed for some 
> purpose, and remembering that I had such a pair of pincers in the 
> drawer of my writing desk, I went downstairs into my room to get 
> them. I opened the drawer, saw the pincers and a few other things in 
> there, but no vestige of any letter, as I had removed my papers the 
> day before to another place. I took the pincers and was about to 
> close the drawer, when --- there lay in the drawer a great envelope, 
> addressed to me in the well-known handwriting of the Master and 
> sealed with the seal bearing his initials in Tibetan characters. On 
> opening it, I found a long, very kind and somewhat complimentary 
> letter, treating of the identical questions, about which I had just 
> been talking with Madame Blavatsky, besides giving a detailed and 
> satisfactory answer to the very question which had so perplexed my 
> mind, and a satisfactory explanation of certain matters, which for 
> some time had been foremost in my mind, but of which I had said 
> nothing at all. 
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> "Moreover, there was in the same envelope a photograph, cabinet-size, 
> of the Master's face, with a dedication to me at the back. This 
> picture will henceforth be considered as the greatest treasure in my 
> possession. 
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> "Now, if I know anything at all, I know that my drawer contained no 
> such letter, when I opened it, and that there was nobody visible in 
> my room at that time. The letter, giving a detailed answer to my 
> question, must have been written, sealed and put into the drawer in 
> less than four minutes, while it took exactly forty minutes to copy 
> it the next day; and finally, it treated a very difficult problem in 
> such an elaborate and yet concise manner, that only an intelligence 
> of the highest order could have done the same."
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> Can we attribute these experiences to HPB's "second hand smoke"?
> 
> This is a very interesting speculation of yours.
> 
> How long did one have to be around HPB's second hand smoke before
> one started having these full-blown hallucinations?
> 
> Exactly what was in her cigarettes?
> 
> And is there any information about such drugs that could cause such 
> vivid hallucinations VIA second hand smoke?
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> There are many such questions that need to be fully explored in order 
> to determine how reasonable or unreasonable your hypothesis really is?
> 
> One final question: Do you beleive now that any of HPB's occult 
> phenomena were realy paranormal, ie. NOT some hallucination caused by 
> HPB's second smoke or Olcott's cigar or ......?
> 
> Daniel H. Caldwell
> BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
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