Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00223)

Hi, Brigitte and you all,

Please answer my questions ?
Please? 
This is a list on Theosophy as far as I understand.

from Sufilight


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From: "bri_mue" <bri_mue@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:50 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Why was Hitler alive in 1948 in the USA?


> Morton, what do you have to do with Theosophy ?
> 
> The mail below however is in a response to a mail from Frank.
>  
> > Frank: "This Gestapo documents (taken out according to the FOIA, 
> but 
> > many paras still blacked) seem to support the strange guy George 
> > Adamski who in the early 1950's said that the UFO inhabitants with 
> > whom he will have talked, spoke German."
> > 
> > Last time I only placed the first part of the babelfish translation 
> > showing the Gestapo Mueller book by Gregory is a fake, enclosed the 
> > rest.
> > Brigitte
> > 
> > The connoisseur of the book will object that the origin of the 
> texts 
> > is nevertheless outstanding occupied. In a Anhang[23 ] it is 
> > described in detail how Gitta Sereny is discovered these Mueller 
> > documents with searches on references, which frightening the 
> > find released that Mueller obviously worked for the USA and how it 
> > over the OSI (Office for Special Investigation), which has 
> > the task to make former Nazis who entered into the USA, finally the 
> > document Mueller received. Even copies of the original 
> > documents are illustrated and specified with Mueller minutes 
> archives 
> > contractions! On the other hand that the "publication of 
> > the questionable documents both for the USA and for Great Britain 
> > possibly serious problems bring with itself to wuerde".[24 ] 
> > now may it is repeated stressed quite like that be that such 
> > documents in American archives are.
> > How can that be explained? Without kriminaltechnische 
> investigations 
> > only speculations remain. If one asks, whom the book 
> > uses, then the assumptions receive a stop.
> >  
> > The discussions with Mueller are to have been led 1948! Like a red 
> > thread pulls itself by the book: Mueller is expert in the 
> > espionage fight with the Soviet Union. Mueller is the connoisseur 
> of 
> > the Soviet espionage techniques. It has in the war many 
> > point agents of the Soviet Union umgedreht[18 ], some is still in 
> the 
> > Soviet Union and could for it arbeiten.[19 ] Mueller 
> > controls the technology of falsifying Soviet identity papers and 
> > Dokumenten.[20 ] thanks of its agents knows Mueller
> > not only the Soviet espionage system, [21 later ] but also the 
> > organisational structures of the Soviet agent rings in the USA and
> > Grossbritannien.[22 ] five sides can it then the list of the Soviet 
> > feeler gauges to the USA and Great Britain supply.
> >  
> > Realises one the position of 1948: The Americans were before the 
> > rubble of their Soviet politics. The fear of Soviet agents 
> > spread increasingly, until it kulminierte in a witch hunt. If 
> > Mueller's predicates would have been passed on 1948 the Soviet as " 
> > genuine documents " and if the Russians would have believed the 
> > texts, then their agent networks would have been worthless in 
> > Great Britain and the USA for them, because they had to count then 
> on 
> > the fact that the west knows and for itself operate lets 
> > their agents in both countries! 
> >  
> > A suspicion offers itself: A certain American service practiced 
> from 
> > it falsified documents into files, in order to pass on it so the 
> > Soviet, in order to irritate it over the value of their anglo-saxon 
> > agents. Fifty years after end of war, the Soviet Imperium, finds 
> > Gitta Sereny the old texts was neglectable. It uses its relations, 
> in 
> > order to come to the document. 
> >  
> > The American services have in the meantime a new target: The 
> support 
> > of the domestic economy against foreign 
> > Konkurrenten.[25 ] possibly someone in the chain file - passing on -
>  
> > OSI - Gitta Sereny comes on the idea to up-deseam these 
> > texts for the new target and it over a German outsider publishing 
> > house, this time as play material against Germany to set in 
> > circulation. But a fact speaks. 
> >  
> > As Gitta Sereny the note to the document finds, there covers it to 
> 40 
> > pages. When the OSI makes the document available, are 
> > from it over 130 pages geworden![26 ] the doubts against the 
> > publication suddenly shrank. By the publication in a right 
> > German publishing house the book for the USA is no more message. 
> Also 
> > speaks against the authenticity. Because a book 
> > with discussions between official American agencies and Gestapo 
> > Mueller would have become 50 years after the war a unique 
> > sensation and, in a renowned American publishing house published, 
> an 
> > enormous business. Certainly the texts and their 
> > emergence would have been then publicly examined. Also the 
> > renouncement of the large cash is a weighty argument against the 
> > book.   
> >  
> > Three of the ranges of topics, which were probably produced after 
> > 1990, are here presented. Thus Mueller expresses itself 
> > very decided to the Holocaust. It does not deny under any 
> > circumstances the mass murder in the rest of to the Jews and also 
> > not the scope. That appears first only in such a way! After Mueller 
> > the mass murders took place not or only to small extent in 
> > Auschwitz, but in stocks, the Globocnik been subordinate. In 
> > Auschwitz themselves, so Mueller, died approx.. 100,000 Jews. 
> > One killed in stocks with Lublin[27 ] by Globocnik. That occurred, 
> so 
> > a place, because Globocnik wanted to enrich itself, [28 
> > ] or on other place, because Globocnik did not know, where he 
> should 
> > with all humans. The inventor of the gaskammern was 
> > Gerstein, [29 ] a crazy person, Mueller into a home instructs 
> > leaving ] 
> >  
> > the book shifts responsibility and scene of the Holocaust. Mueller 
> > calls no numbers over from Globocnik and Gerstein 
> > murdered. It supplies however a list over Globocniks booty, and 
> there 
> > is a position 8,228 kg Eheringe.[31 ] sets one the 
> > weight of a marriage ring with 2,5 gram, then one would come on 
> over 
> > 3 million dead ones - plus those, which did not carry a 
> > marriage ring! 
> >  
> > By the misalignment of the mass murders by Auschwitz to other 
> places 
> > aren't all revisionistic objections weakened against the 
> > gaskammern in Auschwitz? In such a way don't the reportreport 
> report 
> > and the Rudolf appraisal lose any base? Doesn't the 
> > verruecktheit explain barley in absurd stating of the barley in 
> > report? 
> >  
> > Sometimes there are coincidences! There may one and a half years 
> ago, 
> > there the author the fundamentals of this theory by 
> > telephone by an anonymous caller with a variation was presented. 
> > Gerstein was sugar ill and that the cause of its verruecktheit. 
> >  
> > The Mueller predicates, set the case them would be actually 
> genuine, 
> > raise new questions. Why by the historians was the 
> > opinion held that in Auschwitz many millions humans were killed, if 
> > the mass murders actually took place in other place? And 
> > would they possible been alone be under authorization Globocniks, 
> > where KZ commanders were already pulled and shot 
> > because of smaller offenses for responsibility? By the way Dr. 
> > Reinecke, Amtschef in the principal office SS court, called which 
> > was dealt with with these processes, with his hearing in Nuernberg 
> > Gestapo Mueller as one of the chief executives for 
> > destruction internal messages. 
> >  
> > Other predicates might, then fear I, more resonance to find. For 
> the 
> > substantial attacks momentary on the German armed 
> > forces the book supplies with sufficiently to ammunition. 
> >  
> > The armed forces, and not the SS, was the actual carrier of the 
> > crimes of National Socialist Germany! The commissioner 
> > instruction was a demand of the armed forces. As wire-puller the 
> > general of the artillery Warlimont, " a Schlange"[32 ], which 
> > itself behind other hidden, is presented. Warlimont formulated its 
> > instruction for the toetung of the commissioners in such a way, 
> > " that its instruction in such a way sounds like a type NSDAP 
> > propaganda, with it it, if necessary, us (i.e. the SS, d. V) in 
> > addition, with it loads koennte."[33 ] the armed forces brought the 
> > commissioners to by the SS led stocks, with it it there shot 
> > wurden.[34 ] the armed forces had " own concentration camps, in 
> those 
> > Jews and communists briefly and justified liquidated 
> > wurden."[35 had ] Mueller commissioners, usually Jews, " accurately 
> > before the execution commands of the armed forces 
> > schuetzen."[36 ] Mueller to its interlocutor: " you know that the 
> SS 
> > for the crimes of the armed forces increases musste."[37 ] 
> >  
> > the German resistance in the third realm the reputation of Germany 
> > abroad still considerably. That is not any longer gladly seen 
> > recently in the USA. 1995 were attacked an exhibition over the 
> German 
> > resistance in the American congress library as " 
> > schoenfaerberisch"[38 ]. Mueller offers there juicy remedy. The men 
> > 20 of July, in front Stauffenberg, were erbaermliche 
> > Schufte. Stauffenberg was homosexuell[39 ], a victim Georges, to 
> > which Stauffenberg found " to its by verses life bekehrt 
> > hatte".[40 ] " many normal, older officers him loud and widerlich, 
> > very dirtily, which concerned its personal hygiene. They had 
> > something against its male Harem, with which it was in the 
> officers' 
> > messes herumzog."[41 ] Stauffenbergs " secret Germany " in 
> > " reality only one group of homosexuals with interest to young 
> > Maennem".[42 ] 
> >  
> > When Mueller searched Stauffenbergs private dwelling for the 
> > assassination attempt, it did not only find several albums with 
> > pictures of naked young Italians, the house was full-plugged " with 
> > illegal black market goods: Wine, food, clothes and further 
> > Luxusartikel."[43 ] Stauffenberg were to blame for also Rommels 
> > suicide: " finally it (Rommel d. V) was a victim Stauffenbergs 
> > like it Hitler would have its sollen."[44 ] Stalin was the wire-
> > puller of the Hitler assassination attempt and the SS general God 
> > praise Berger its Partner.[45 ] Stauffenberg and Beck wanted for 
> > Stalin the way in the Ruhr district and after Schlesien to 
> > open, and to the wages they should as " a governmentgovernment 
> > government " power uebernehmen.[46 ] as the conspirators 
> > were seized, in front the church people, gave " us the names of 
> their 
> > friends and otherwise everyone, to them invent 
> > konnten."[47 ] the officers " plapperten. opposite the Gestapo of 
> > everything, which did not have them wussten."[48 ] is struck, 
> > there most " of them on their part to confess completely and so 
> many 
> > And many of them loaded hardly knew something. I 
> > believe we released more, than we further locked up leaving ] 
> >  
> > obvious is all what increases the reputation of Germany abroad, are 
> > destroyed. Who knows the aggressive sensitivity of the 
> > third realm to the homosexuals, for that it is inconceivable that 
> the 
> > guidance of the armed forces could have accepted such 
> > occurring Stauffenbergs maintained above. The Scha that, which the 
> SA 
> > had by Roehm, was present everyone. Himmler would 
> > have used such statuses immediately.
> 
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