Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00184)

Hi, Brigitte, and others on the list,

Some people debating theosophy - just doesn't see the forrest for trees.

Evil people are evil. Good people are good.
Evil schemes are evil. Good deeds are good.

So the question is, rahter "What evil schemes?"

Well Brigitte, what have you vigorously been talking about the last weeks -on the issue named ugly as it is - "Nazi-Ufo" myth and Theosophy III -- orsimilar issues ??

My humble view is this:

Now to debate on evil issues - is not what life is about. Life is about doing good deeds - and how to practise them - and being One with the highest visdom. Debates of theosophy should be concerned with uplifting thoughts that leads - people on this list up into the light of the One God - or the same - the Parabrahman (unthinkable, unpronoucable) - the undescribable good, wise and allmighty.

Now - I understand this to be a free list - so feel free. 

But, I can only encourage you to find another - thoughtpattern. The planet needs people thinking positively - God - the ParaBrahman will never - give up on any one. God cares. God always helps. Do you want help? -- Well do you?

Seek God. Don't seek to highlight - supposed - evil schemes of the past - and debates about supposed evil deeds etc. from the past - or as much worse even - supposed -planned future ones. 
Of course we will have to relate to the present - the present life. But, why paint fictious pictures of our world - which makes people scared and frightened?
Yes we will have to face any evil in the universe - and be brave souls etc.But - is it good to talk about it all the time - and paint supposed - negative - pictures of reality, when they in fact doesn't lift people towards wisdom?

If one wants to search for what really happened in the past - one should first learn to read the Akasha (the non-physical spitiural record) of the past. Then you will get the picture of the past 100% right - not before. And Iknow, that the Akasha exists. I don't care if you disagree on its existence.
If one uses this incarnation on doing - good deeds, then reading Akasha is not far away.


Think positvely. Act positively. Do good, be good. Always help, and never hurt - seek at least to avoid - (the risk) of hurting others.

Sometimes it is better to keep silent - and observe to what people do, say,think and write.
This is the land of the fools. Let us avoid being fools.

Let us learn how much knowledge is needed before we can see how ignorant weare.
Well dear reader do you dare do that?

Please.

from Sufilight








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bri_mue" <bri_mue@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World "Nazi -UFO" myth and Theosophy III.


> What evil people ?
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> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Sufilight" <teosophy@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Brigitte,
> > 
> > Why is it important to be interestd in what evil schemes some 
> people might make or not or have made or not ??
> > To some people the below is - a lie. And of course also to others 
> not. And that is why I ask you these question.
> > 
> > Why is - the good words and good deeds of good and honest people - 
> not - much more important ?? Why not ??
> > What has evil people to offer ??
> > Well I just felt, that I would ask you, in a polite manner that is.
> > 
> > from
> > Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "bri_mue" <bri_mue@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:16 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World "Nazi -UFO" myth and Theosophy III.
> > 
> > 
> > > Dennis: "That Old Devil Charles Leadbeater again!"
> > > Why can you not show some activity also, and look in the index ?
> > > I think I said enough below, and I think as a whole it stands, 
> why 
> > > don't you respond to that instead of only nitpicking ? 
> > > And since this is a "discussion" group maybe giving you "own" 
> > > opinion would be more productive.
> > > 
> > > The reason why Theosophy has something to do with it from 
> starters is 
> > > becouse the whole UFO myth goos back to story's in the Secret 
> > > Doctrine ,about earlier planetary situations. As Blavatsky's SD 
> > > could not be kept to conform with physical reality as it 
> originally 
> > > claimed to be, contents where transformed to meat more modern 
> > > circumstances. flying saucers in a way replaced astral travel as 
> > > means of getting around. In many contactee accounts during the 
> > > fifties, no flying saucer is included at all. Venusians walk the 
> > > streets of urban America ready to talk to anyone aware enough to 
> > > recognise them
> > > 
> > > Young people in the US that time also had been reading about 
> > > extraterrestrials for years in such magazines as Amazing Stories 
> and 
> > > Astounding Science Fiction. The editor of Amazing, Raymond A. 
> Palmer 
> > > embraced the "new" phenomenon of flying saucers. 
> > > Ray Palmer, editor of Amazing Stories SF magazine, often boasted 
> he
> > > could turn any crackpot idea into a salable story. One day in 
> 1944 a
> > > weird manuscript arrived at his office. It was purportedly
> > > non-fiction, and it described how a race of underground beings 
> were
> > > responsible for all the mayhem and madness in the world. The 
> author
> > > of this strange opus was Richard Shaver, a welder from 
> Pennsylvania.
> > > Shaver exhibited many of the classic symptoms of paranoid
> > > schizophrenia (persecution by unknown forces, ill health caused by
> > > mysterious "rays," hearing voices), but Ray Palmer saw
> > > gold in the other man's delusions. He re-wrote Shaver's manuscript
> > > into a "fiction-fact" story called "I Remember Lemuria!" and
> > > published it. Shaver's paranoia, coupled with Palmer's 
> > > exposition of the wonders of alien super-science, ignited the
> > > readership. Circulation soared, and the letters column of Amazing 
> was
> > > swamped with notes from people claiming experiences just like
> > > Shaver's.
> > > 
> > > The first ten years after the Arnold sightings in 1947 saw the 
> growth 
> > > of an interest in physical flying saucers (that we can hardly 
> > > understand now, plagued as we are since then by more 
> psychological 
> > > tales of abduction and ancient gods.) Then, the search for an 
> > > explanation generally started from the premise that what had been 
> > > seen - and a lot of shiny, revolving flying-saucerish things were 
> > > reported as really having been seen - were physically real. On 
> that 
> > > basis the choice was whether they were terrestrial or extra-
> > > terrestrial, and for those who weren't prepared to believe in the 
> > > reality of extra-terrestrial craft and their extra-terrestrial 
> > > occupants, there was a further choice - were they friends or 
> enemies, 
> > > US or Soviet, and how could anyone tell?
> > > 
> > > Wendelle Stevens talked at a recent UFO conference and 
> > > explained "There were apparently nine secret bases in Germany 
> working 
> > > on anti-gravity vehicles. One involved BMW. Stevens even recalls 
> > > seeing a map of the base locations in recovered German documents 
> > > while in the AF, but it was shredded. After Hitler learned that 
> he 
> > > could not use these antigravity vehicles in the war, he launched 
> two 
> > > expeditions to the Antarctic led by Admiral Richard, one in 1938 
> and 
> > > one in 1942 after the eastern front losses. The work on flying 
> disks 
> > > continued there. According to Meier case documents, Ptah said 334 
> > > members of a secret German society continued the work that has 
> > > remained secret even today. Stevens also mentioned that Adrian of 
> the 
> > > Miami contacts said he and his girl friend were taken by 
> Pleiadians 
> > > to a secret base in SW Brazil where they saw German style saucers 
> > > parked on pedestals. And I recall from that case that Adrian was 
> told 
> > > that some of the German scientists' children were raised on the 
> > > Pleiadies and are now back here working for BMW. Finally, at last 
> > > years conference a retired NRO gentleman presented us privately a 
> > > picture labeled Haunebu 5, made by German, American, and 
> Aldebaran 
> > > scientists in Antarctica."
> > > 
> > > The identification of the theosophical (hierarchical) "Masters" 
> with 
> > > beings from space is pre-figured in theosophical litterature. For 
> > > example Charles Leadbeater speaking of the Masters explains: We 
> see 
> > > that it is merely a brotherhood of humanity, or even of life this 
> > > Chain of world, but that all Chains in the Solar System mutually 
> > > interact and help one another. I have no direct evidence that 
> Solar 
> > > Systems give assistance to each other in such ways, but I should 
> > > imagine it by analogy to be most certain that even that is done. 
> At 
> > > least I have myself seen Visitors from other systems..
> (Leadbeater"The 
> > > Masters and the Path")
> > > Desmond Leslie in his chapters on "Flying Saucers Have Landed", 
> > > makes much of saucers in Atlantis, ancient India, and medieval 
> > > Europe, often using Theosophical texsts like the Secret Doctrine 
> as 
> > > resources.
> > > In 1844, two French priests, Evariste Huc and Father Gabet, 
> entered 
> > > Tibet. They were the first to write a detailed account of the 
> > > country, published in 1850. Translated into English 
> as "Recollections 
> > > of Travel in Tartary, Tibet and China", a Blavatsky's 
> appropriation 
> > > of part of their narrative, claiming it to be her own travels, 
> they 
> > > would come to influence modern esoteric traditions.
> > > However since Tibet became more accesable, the believe in beings 
> from 
> > > outer space more effectivly withdraws these newer messengers and 
> > > their sources from the scrutiny of outsiders.
> > > 
> > > Like the Theosophical Society, the Aetherius Society (a large UFO 
> > > organisation) has Masters for example; though they tend to be on 
> > > other planets rather than in the Himalayas. 
> > > So instead of Blavatsky's invented Masters, people started to 
> find 
> > > in Adamski, Ruth Norman (Unarius), Understanding Inc. (Dan Fry) , 
> > > Mark- Age,not to forget the I Am movement and their off 
> > > shoots,Extraterrestrial Earth Mission, Heaven's Gate, 
> Universarium 
> > > Foundation and so on, their organizers, bischops, and overseers, 
> who 
> > > maintain that the Masters are from outher space.
> > > 
> > > And of course messages from aliens both proceded the rise of the 
> > > Master mythology and the current wave of UFO's, one of the many 
> > > inspirors of Blavatsky Emanuel Swedenborg, claimed to have spoken 
> > > with spirits from other planets.
> > > 
> > > Brigitte.
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