Theos-Talk Archives (December 2001 Message tt00083)

Dear Steve, I live in Jerusalem, Israel, quite clear from my first post. I
was raised on the *Jewis-Israeli side*. I put it in *-* because when I woke
up, thirty years ago, to the fact that I am a spiritual person, or more
correct, should be, I slowly realized that humankind is one body, made of
many members. From a hateful person, who grew up in the environments of
holocausts, pogroms and persecutions, being threatened daily by Arab
communications from the Arab countries (in their Hebrew broadcasts over the
radio), about our certain demise. It was a war for survival, and you cannot
train people to be loving when you need to send them to the battle field.
The leaders, don't go to the firing zones. At least not the Arab leaders.
Our leaders did. My officers were always in the front, leading and guiding
us, for better or worse. When you study the victories of a nation, you will
find that the leaders were in the front, the officers were leading the
battles, etc. War is a very bad thing, most horrendous, I have been there
many, many times, and I know what I am talking about. I am careful to say
who started the war in the middle East, since Arab and Jews lived
considerably at peace for many years. Jews didn't suffer under Moslem
regimes like in Europe, where you cannot find one square foot where good
loving Christians didn't salughter a Jew for fun. Jews and Arabs had their
Golden Period in Spain, I think it was during 1100-1400 or so, till
Christians took back Spain. The leaders both sides, if they claim to be
leaders, should seek what unites the people, not what separates them. I am
interested for revealing the good news, I see evil everywhere, hatreds
galore. If the media, like CNN & CO would go after the grey facts of good
relations between Jews and Arabs, come to my garage and see how Arab workers
from Palestine are working in Israel, and being treated like any person; you
can question yourself why 180,000 Arabs who live in East Jerusalem don't
participate with this uprising? Because they know the truth about their
*Palestinian State*, and what is really going on behind the scenes, which
are veiled from CNN & CO. I have been trying to be a go between, which is an
impossible task. I think you have noted that I don't respond to hate posts
against Israel and its prime minister in this site. What is the purpose of
this site if not to strengthen the brotherhood of all man, to find what
binds, to deliver the good news, to bring to the world spiritual leadership,
which is so crucially needed. Yes, both sides are ignorant. How about us?
Are we an Emissaries of love and friendship? Look at the mirror and answer
it personally. Hard to look at oneself at the mirror. All best wishes,
Etzion


From: Steve Stubbs <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>



> Hi, Etzion:
>
> I do not disagree with anything you say. You will
> notice I did not say anything directly against the
> Prophet, merely some of his earthly representatives.
> I can't say that I admire Mulla Omar much, or
> Ayatollah Khomeini, who cleared mine fields by asking
> children to walk across them while he was ensconced in
> luxury digs in Teheran. We now see Osama urging his
> followers to die for him while he runs like a rat. I
> don't know where you live, but there are loads of
> stories I could share with you about Christian
> "ministers" who turned out to be rapists, murderers,
> embezzlers, pederasts, etc., etc., and that is just
> locally. One guy named Gobelin would go out at night,
> break into women's homes wearing a ski mask, and
> assault them while "preaching" during the day.
> Fortunately, the police put his tenure in the ministry
> to an end. He is now in the hospitality of the Texas
> Department of Corrections at Huntsville. He plied his
> trade in the town in which I currently reside. A few
> miles away another "minister" tried to strangle his
> wife with a wire so he could run off with his girl
> friend and still become a bishop. When his son caught
> him trying to mirder his wife, he tried to strangle
> the kid, too. When the police made it clear they
> intended to question him he tried to commit suicide.
> The amazing thing that nobody understands is that he
> got away with it, even though both his intended
> victims survived. The woman suffered extensive brain
> damage and is now in a nursing home. The boy has been
> under psychiatric care ever since ever since his own
> father tried to murder him. The preacher man
> abandoned both of them and was abandoned in turn by
> his girl friend. He was later accused of embezzling
> money from a Prebyterian church in California, but
> amazingly beat that rap as well. Inidentally, all of
> that is historical fact and not opinion.
>
> Do I admire these guys? Nope. Will I listen to
> anything they have to say? Nope. All I want to hear
> from them is their cofession of guilt. My ears are
> deaf to everything else.
>
> We also see Jews cynically dispossessing Palestinians
> in their own land. When I took a course in abnormal
> psychology at the university one of the things I
> learned is that antisocial personalities are attracted
> to a few specific fields and one of those,
> regrettably, is being a professional cleric.
> Statistically, in the US, one out of every eight
> Christian clergymen is exposed for what he really is
> and forced out of his profession every single year. I
> cannot imagine a failure rate like that in any other
> field of work.
>
> I think the way to avoid cynicism the one hand and
> gullibility on the other is to make a sharp
> distinction between spirituality, which may be an
> excellent thing, and the foul vermin who sell it for
> money. If I speak the truth about the Gobelins and
> the Osamas of the world, that does not necessarily
> mean I am dissing the wares they are peddling. I must
> confess I feel some skepticism regarding much of it,
> though. Maybe I am having some trouble making that
> distinction myself.
>
> Agree or disagree. I respect your opinions.
>