Theos-Talk Archives (November 2001 Message tt00528)

Brigitte: In the "Talking Image of Urur" Hartmann
describes a "Mysterious Brotherhood's" best known
members as "Rataborumatchi and Krashibashi", plus the
"talking image"(apparently HPB) that, "reflects like a
mirror the prejudices of the inquirerrs and merely
confirms their superstitions".

I have not time to read the book, but if you are
quoting it accurately Hartmann is making an astute
observation about human nature, and not condemning
HPB.

Brigitte: Hartmann proceeds that: "No man can teach
another the truth if the truth does not manifest
itself in and through him."

Ditto. This is an astute observation about human
nature.

Brigitte: Blavatsky replies that it is precicely in
order to awaken misgivings in those who should
recognize themselves in Hartman's tale that she
publishing it.

Here we have Blavatsky trying to confront readers with
the aforementioned observations about human nature.

Hartmann made no secret of the fact that the mahatma
letters were written (dictated to?) HPB and were not
precipitated in a magical manner but were palmed off
on people in a way so as to make the manner of their
delivery appear mysterious. That is surely the
meaning of your last quote.

Steve

--- bri_mue@yahoo.com wrote:
> Daniel: "Hartmann's novel but please explain the
> relevance of what 
> you have quoted to the observations that I have
> given"
> If Hartmann decides to end his book about his
> experience with "the 
> talking image" with this conclusion, don't you think
> he might have a 
> reason for it ? And if so, what could this reason be
> Daniel ?
> What the essence of Hartmann's novel in regards to
> the Masters, it 
> is as follows;
> 
> In the "Talking Image of Urur" Hartmann describes
> a "Mysterious 
> Brotherhood's" 
> best known members as "Rataborumatchi and 
> Krashibashi", plus 
> the "talking image"(apparently HPB) that, "reflects
> like a mirror the 
> prejudices of the inquirerrs and merely confirms
> their 
> superstitions"...
> Hartmann proceeds that: "No man can teach another
> the truth if the 
> truth does not manifest itself in and through him."
> But, "what about 
> the about the Mysterious Brotherhood?" asked Pancho
> (apparently 
> Hartmann himself): "He received no answer.-before
> his eyes a great 
> transformation took place--there was notting of a
> material character 
> left." (more excerpts will follow soon)
> In March 1889 Blavatsky wrote an article for Lucifer
> entitled "On 
> Pseudo-Theosophy" in wich she responded to a "Daily
> News" story about 
> Hartmann's story. The newspaper reported that some
> Theosophists were 
> distressed by its publication, and suggested that
> "the misgivings 
> that have been awakened will not easily be laid to
> rest." 
> Blavatsky replies that it is precicely in order to
> awaken misgivings 
> in those who should recognize themselves in
> Hartman's tale that she 
> publishing it. But although some where offended ,
> Blavatsky 
> asked "if Mme. Blavatsky-presumebly the 'Talking
> Image'- does not 
> object to finding herself repressented as a kind of
> mediumistic poll 
> parrot, why should other 'theosohists'
> object?"(H.P.Blavatsky, 
> Collected Writings, vol.11,p.46.)
> 
> In his non-fiction report Hartmann's conlusian as he
> described it 
> in "Some Fragments of The Secret History of The
> Theosophical Society" 
> Hartmann's mentioned similar:
> 
> "There seems to be a general desire on the part of
> the followers of 
> Madame Blavatsky to represent many of these
> so-called occult letters 
> as something more than what they really are, namely
> poetical fictions 
> extended to the physical plane for the purpose of
> making spiritual 
> truths palatable to the ignorant, and to make use of
> the credulity 
> and superstition of the wonder-loving, to teach them
> something useful 
> and good."
> So did he mean what he wrote (in spite of additional
> things he wrote 
> later) or not ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brigitte
> 
> I will as much time permits try to also type some
> larger quotes from 
> Hartmann's book regarding the talking image.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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