Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00145)

Dear Peter:

This week you give us a section to consider and also refer us to
H P B'S TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE.

Below the notes I send is the original of these for reference.


NOTES


How are we to understand this?

1.	Karma -- Universal is referred to in the phrase "the hour had
not yet struck." also it is "VIBRATION"

At some time, when manifestation sets in, the rate of
"vibration" was given a numerical value (in time, space and
material) for any one of the manifesting galaxies, systems, or
earths -- also of humans and the sub-atomic "little-lives" and so
on ad infinitum. We are forced to consider that at any and all
"times" we are suspended in an ever moving, ever changing quantum
of forces, constantly "influenced" by all the rest.

2.	"The Ray" indicates an eternal aspect of the indescribable
ABSOLUTE which is apparently involved in the process of
Manifestation. The ABSOLUTE as a concept directs our thought to
the EVER STABLE, the ONE quiescent basis.

3.	"The Germ" seems to imply all the potentials of "matter." It
is shown resting an quiescent in relation to the kind of matter
we know today. It is on a totally different plane. One might
assume that when "the hour of manifestation" strikes there is a
change of PLANE. Hence the "Big Bang" concept is merely the
CHANGE from a "material plane" we know nothing of, to that which
we are cognizant of. To us, this incognizable condition or state
appears analogetically as a "germ"

The Matri Padma (Mother Lotus) is a symbol of the UNIVERSE that
is again about to unfold under the Law of Karma for the WHOLE, as
well as for each "part."

4.	The Ray when emitted become JIV-ATMA the UNIVERSAL ASPECT OF
"LIFE." It thrills through all (as a MASTER TONE -- the "Kung" of
the Chinese system [ Voice, p 55-6 fn ], and restores to every
manifested "spark" the qualities that make it individual and
personal. The many "monas" reassume their Karmic positions and
wake up in a relationship that carries forward the evolutionary
advance of the previous manifestations.

5.	flashing into the "Egg" again represents the dormant potential
of all matter as (at this point) quiescent, sleeping, resting
MONADS.

6.	If the Monads are "resting," this reinforces the concept of
the ETERNITY of the MONADS. And additionally, that they are
three-fold: SPIRIT + MATTER (Primordial - BUDDHI) + MIND
(Mahat -- Universal Mind)

7. "Water" stands for all mater -- a fluid that conforms to the
needs of Karma, and provides all shapes. -- a synonym for
"space." whether full of visible matter or seemingly empty to
human sight, yet containing in potency all the shapes and
forms -- as does the astral on its plane and the Akasa in terms
of the imperishable and eternal "memory."

But this is explained by H.P.Blavatsky in both The SECRET
DOCTRINE Vol. I 63 -4 and in the TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY
LODGE P. 82-3

best wishes,

Dallas

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Subject: [bn-sd] RE: Stanza III Sloka 2 [ S D I 63 - 64 ]

2. THE VIBRATION SWEEPS ALONG, TOUCHING WITH ITS SWIFT WING
(simultaneously)
THE WHOLE UNIVERSE, AND THE GERM THAT DWELLETH IN DARKNESS: THE
DARKNESS
THAT BREATHES (moves) OVER THE SLUMBERING WATERS OF LIFE (a).

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In TRANSACTIONS OF BLAVATSKY LODGE -- H.P.Blavatsky tells us
that the term "Universe" in the Sloka refers to "formless space,
the future vehicle of the Universe which will be manifested.
This space is synonymous with 'the waters of space,' with (to us)
eternal darkness, in fact with Parabrahm... In the same way the
Germ - the Germ is eternal, the undifferentiated atoms of future
matter - is one with space, as infinite as it is indestructible,
and as eternal as space itself. Similarly with 'vibration' which
corresponds with the Point, the unmanifested Logos."
(B: CW X 367) (TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE -- U L T,
p. 105)

We have a kind of potential threefold-ness which at this stage
before the manifestation of the Universe, is still ONE. We have:

1.	- "Formless Space" - Parabrahm

2.	- "the Breath", "The Vibration" - The first Logos of
this Universe

3.	- "The Germ" - undifferentiated Root Substance for
this Universe

We see these three referred to in the PROEM with a qoute from the
Occult Catechism:

"What is it that ever is?" "Space, the eternal Anupadaka."*

"What is it that ever was?" "The Germ in the Root."

"What is it that is ever coming and going?" "The Great Breath."

"Then, there are three Eternals?" "No, the three are one. That
which ever is is one, that which ever was is one, that which is
ever being and becoming is also one: and this is Space." (S D


I, p. 11)

We might keep in mind that "the Great Breath" is also defined as
"unconditioned consciousness."

Also, our Sloka 2 provides us with another version of our highest
metaphysical trinity mentioned in the PROEM. Therein it was
described as Parabrahm (the ever unknowable, hence DARKNESS to
us) and its two facets - Spirit (or Consciousness) and Matter:

"Considering this metaphysical triad as the Root from which
proceeds all manifestation, the great Breath assumes the
character of precosmic Ideation. It is the fons et origo of force
and of all individual consciousness, and supplies the guiding
intelligence in the vast scheme of cosmic Evolution. On the other
hand, precosmic root-substance (Mulaprakriti) is that aspect of
the Absolute which underlies all the objective planes of Nature."
(SD I p.15)

Elsewhere in 'TRANSACTIONS' HPB tell us the Unmanifested Logos
(the First Logos) is synonymous with the Pythagorean Monad which
lives in solitude and Darkness. Why so? Because the First Logos
does not itself enter into manifestation. In the symbolism a RAY
flashes out from this point, thrills
through the Germ (pre-cosmic substance) and then withdraws.

One wonders does this flashing of the Ray happen only the once,
or is it like the flickering tongue of the serpent?... that
"which is ever coming and going" of the Occult Catechism?

What analogies can we draw from this symbolism in respect to the
seven human principles, bearing in mind HPB states that
Atma-Buddhi-Manas in 'man' have a correspondence to the three
Logoi?

regards,

...Peter

> =============================
> 2. THE VIBRATION SWEEPS ALONG, TOUCHING WITH ITS SWIFT WING
(simultaneously)
> THE WHOLE UNIVERSE, AND THE GERM THAT DWELLETH IN DARKNESS: THE
DARKNESS THAT BREATHES (moves) OVER THE SLUMBERING WATERS OF LIFE
(a).
>
> (a) The Pythagorean Monad is also said to dwell in solitude and
darkness like the "germ." The idea of the "breath" of Darkness
moving over "the slumbering Waters of life," which is primordial
matter with the latent Spirit in it, recalls the first chapter of
Genesis. Its original is the Brahminical Narayana (the mover on
the Waters), who is the personification of the eternal Breath of
the unconscious All (or Parabrahm) of the Eastern Occultists. The
Waters of Life, or Chaos -- the female principle in
> symbolism -- are the vacuum (to our mental sight) in which lie
the latent Spirit and Matter. This it was that made Democritus
assert, after his instructor Leucippus, that the primordial
principles of all were atoms and a vacuum, in the sense of space,
but not of empty space, as "Nature abhors a
> vacuum" according to the Peripatetics, and every ancient
philosopher.
>
> In all Cosmogonies "Water" plays the same important part. It is
the base and source of material existence. Scientists, mistaking
the word for the thing, understood by water the definite chemical
combination of oxygen and hydrogen, thus giving a specific
meaning to a term used by Occultists in a
> generic sense, and which is used in Cosmogony with a
metaphysical and mystical meaning. Ice is not water, neither is
steam, although all three have precisely the same chemical
composition.
> (SD I 63-64)
> ===========================