Theos-Talk Archives (September 2001 Message tt00247)

>:-) I like that idea - for example, Leadbeater and Besant saying that they 
could see the Elements with magnified clairvoyant sight - both of them 
describing Oxygen as having a dynamic, beautiful, double-spiral, geometric 
design - a living Creature who we breathe all the time - g'Day! >:-) Grounge

In a message dated 9/23/01 7:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nos@granite.net.au writes:

> http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml
> 
> All substances are both poisons and tonics - depending on the dose
> 
> Nos
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 8:58 AM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then 
> Created Again?
> 
> 
> >:-) Hi - I'm not sure if you were asking me that question, but for 
> >myself, I
> experimented for a short time with some mind-altering drugs 
> about 25 years 
> ago, but for the last 25 years I haven't touched anything like 
> that, not even 
> marihuana. 
> 
> And yes, I would offer a warning to anyone who might consider 
> using that 
> approach. Leadbeater explained it well, saying that external 
> stimuli only 
> affects one from the outside - and so one might be able to 
> generate some 
> sorts of chaotic clairvoyance types of things, but that is only 
> temporary - 
> only affecting your present life - not carrying over to future lives.
> 
> But if one works from within, by things like meditation, then 
> one's Soul is 
> directly involved in the process, and so any progress one makes by that 
> method is a real advance that remains with one throughout all 
> Future Lives - 
> and any types of abilities one develops that way is much more 
> likely to be 
> under one's control, not the chaotic drug type things.
> 
> Well I believe all that, and that is how I've been living for 
> the last 25 
> years, and I have no intention of changing. During meditation I 
> feel much 
> Deeper than I ever felt back when experimenting with drugs - 
> some of those 
> experiences were intense, but not as Deep as what I feel now. 
> 
> And like I suggested, Astral projection is more exciting than drug 
> experiences anyway! - and since the Astral Plane is between the 
> Physical 
> Plane and Heaven, usually it must be thoroughly explored before one can 
> awaken in Heaven. Although, the Astral Plane can also be experienced by 
> meditation, so projection isn't necessary. And there might be 
> some dangers to 
> Astral projection, so one might want to consider that before 
> attempting it.
> 
> I don't know, maybe there are ways of using herbal approaches 
> that are of 
> value - Blavatsky mentions the use of Soma - but I don't think 
> many people 
> today know how to use that method to any benefit, so personally 
> I would warn 
> against it - g'Day! >:-) Grounge
> 
> In a message dated 9/22/01 10:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> dalval14@earthlink.net writes:
> 
> > I fail to see what reference to Theosophy and its study such 
> messages 
> > have.
> > 
> > If LSD dulls the mind and its control over the personality, as do 
> > all drugs, alcohol included, then why need it be mentioned? 
> Unless as 
> > a warning. I take it this is not a warning ?
> > 
> > 
> > Dallas
> > 
> > ============================
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:23 PM
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then 
> > Created Again?
> > 
> > In a message dated 9/20/01 10:17:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > nos@granite.net.au writes:
> > 
> > > Have a large dose of LSD and you can experience this first hand. 
> > It's > freaky at first but there's nothing like applying the theory
> > > practically.
> > >
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > Nos
> > 
> > >:-) Ha! I don't like stuff like that anymore - for the last 25 
> > years I very much prefer things like meditation and Astral 
> projection 
> > - still not that
> > good at either of them, but am still working on it - g'Day! >:-)
> > Grounge
> > 
> > 
>