Theos-Talk Archives (August 2001 Message tt00175)

Dear Doss,

Interesting what you say about Krishnamurti. There are also plenty of books
of his on the shelves here in England. Probably only outnumbered by the
amount of books on Buddhism. I think many people are looking for a way to
relate to their daily lives and feel metaphysics do not help in this
approach.

On a related note, there has been an in-depth documentary series about Islam
on BBC television over the last week. Two of the interesting statistics
that emerged are:

1) by the year 2010 Islam will be the second largest religion in the USA.
2) by the year 2015 a third of the world's population will belong to the
Islamic religion.

regards,

...Peter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ramadoss@infohwy.com [mailto:ramadoss@infohwy.com]
> Sent: 15 August 2001 15:04
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; theos-l@list.vnet.net
> Subject: Theos-World Theosophy/Theosophists -Something to consider
>
>
> At 02:50 AM 8/13/01 -0700, Katinka Hesselink wrote:
> >In 1882 HPB's Master Morya wrote:
> >
> > >> A constant sense of abject dependence upon a Deity which
> >he regards as the sole source of power makes a man lose all
> >self-reliance and the spurs to activity and initiative.
> >Having begun by creating a father and guide unto himself,
> >he becomes like a boy and remains so to his old age,
> >expecting to be led by the hand on the smallest as well as
> >the greatest events of life... The Founders (31) prayed to
> >no Deity in beginning the Theosophical Society, nor asked
> >his help since. Are we expected to become ... nursing
> >mothers...? Did we help the Founders? No; they were helped
> >by the inspiration of self-reliance, and sustained by their
> >reverence for the rights of man, and their love for a
> >country [India]... Your sins? The greatest of them is your
> >fathering upon your God the task of purging you of them.
> >This is no creditable piety, but an indolent and selfish
> >weakness. Though vanity would whisper to the contrary,
> >heed only your common sense. >>{Letters From the Masters of
> >the Wisdom, First Series, 107.}
>
> When one looks at what Krishnamurti has been talked about over 60 years,
> one wonders if he is not talking about the same thing discussed above.
>
> It appears to me, that too much emphasis on the minutiae details
> about the
> constitution of man and universe and their past and future and the
> "occult" training based on the hierarchical top-down approach
> where at the
> grass roots level one may find "a slumbering army of churchgoers" could
> have been causing the lack of growth of interest among the public
> in theosophy.
>
> It appears that Krishnamurti's books and videos and audios are
> catching the
> interest of the public in an undramatic way as seen by two symptoms.
> One, in every large book store one finds the ratio of
> Krishnamurti's books
> to that of theosophy about 10:1 and secondly, the success that
> Krishnamurti
> Foundation is having in their annual fundraising. I just noticed that for
> the current year, the Krishnamurti Foundation in America has a goal of
> annual fund raising of $500,000 of which they already have met
> $450,000 by
> the side of which the annual fund raising target of TS in America looks
> very small.
>
> It may be time to re-examine if the overall emphasis of theosophy
> needs to
> be reevaluated with no preconceived biases and let the chips fall where
> they may.
>
> My 0.02
>
> mkr
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