Theos-Talk Archives (August 2001 Message tt00148)

Adelise:
Just for the record I would like to say that no positive purpose is
served by a statement such as the one quoted here. This is an
example of the force that tries to keep Theosophists separate, to
sabotage the work of bringing to the consiousness of humanity the
unity of all existence.

Frank:
I weep together with you. Obviously you know very well what a positive
purpose is and what not. After you and other ULT'ers do obviously not find
any serious counterarguments you try to persecute the person (instead of the
wrong ideas). This experience I have made with all groups/ideologies which
have a rigid view and allow no critic.

Just for the record too I would like to say I find a lot of positive
purposes to discuss the ULT policy, and others too who email me privately.
What for the one is negative may positive for another one, it depends on the
personality.

As to your defamation of trying to separate and sabotage - stop for a
minute. HPB regarded truth higher than even universal brotherhood. How can
truth be dangerous, separate and sabotage? It can only be dangerous to a
cardhouse of misinformation and lie.

Your kind of manipulation is very well known here in Germany and I have seen
it for years with the Communists who always tried to block any unwished
discussion by crying that the impertinent person who dared to question their
received truth are against humanity and against peace.
So of course all what you do is positive, helps humanity and unites the
Theosophists. I only wonder what the ULT has done in the last 90 years.

Adelise:
It is the opposite of the teachings of HPB to
attack those one's fellows revere and follow.

Frank:
Then you admit that the 90 ULT years of persecution of Katherine Tingley who
is revered and loved by her pupils is against HPB? I heartily agree with
you.
You have made my day with that statement and it is a positive proof direct
from a ULT'er that the ULT'ers misuse the names of both HPB and Judge in
twisting the spirit of their teachings.
Can you give a single source that HPB was against protest in case someone is
unjust attacked? I don't think so, otherwise you would have given it.
On the contrary HPB taught always her pupils to stand up and fight against
pseudo-theosophy, slander and hypocrisy:

(1) "Friends and foes! Criticism is the sole salvation from intellectual
stagnation." - B:CW 13:244

(2) "He who hears an innocent person slandered, whether a brother
Theosophist or not, and does not undertake his defense as he would undertake
his own - is no Theosophist." - B:CW 8:171

(3) "To the mentally lazy or obtuse, Theosophy must remain a riddle; for in
the world mental as in the world spiritual each man must progress by his own
efforts." - The Key to Theosophy, preface.

(4) "Pure sentimentalism overpowering their thinking faculties, which no
true philanthropist or Altruist will ever accept." - Key 225.

So I think it is just your (mis-)interpretation who does harm to
Theosophists, needed co-operation among Theosophists and the world in
general.

Adelise:
It is the opposite of
the teachings of HPB to assume some platform of authority about
occultism.

Frank:
I am no authority and seek not for authority, I am just a Theosophist who
does his duty and defends fellow Theosophists who are unjust attacked by
ULT'ers since decades. OTOH, it seems as it is you (or the ULT in general)
who seeks to have authority, otherwise you would not persecute those who
disagree with your selfish, materialistic Theravada-INTERPRETATION of HPB.


Adelise:
It is the opposite of the teachings of HPB to judge
anyone, much less those who struggled to bring the theosophical
movement to birth and growth in its early years.

Frank:
Agreed, it is wrong that the ULT'ers persecute and defame Katherine Tingley
who built the theosophical school both HPB and Judge were dreaming of. And
for that reason I protest against the slanders in hope that you in the
aftermath will understand Point Loma better. What is wrong with that?

Adelise:
Freedom of speech
is a wonderful thing, and I have no desire to curtail it. But anyone

Frank:
Amazing, that it is just you who claims that as I remember well your private
emails last year regarding censorship on the BN basic
list. But - donated, as I try not to meddle with personalities so much.

Adelise:
reading statements such as those quoted here should also have an
opportunity to see them for what they are. Conscious or not, they
are egregious attempts to destroy what the theosophical movement
has been able to accomplish. When the world is in such sore need
of examples of unity of thought and action, why do we waste our
precious time and energy on divisive sophistry and destructive
separatism?

Frank:
Depends on everyone's personal interpretation what is destroying and what is
not. I now a lot of true Theosophists who have reason to believe that it is
the ULT policy since 90 years which destroys the Theosophical Movement and
who find lies, slanders and sophistry in their publications. And as your
believe system and your political correct mind does not allow to question
your beliefs it is quite natural form a psychological standpoint that you
see your faults in those who contradict you.
It seems as you want a co-operation among the lineages built on ostrich
policy and hypocrisy. I want a co-operation built on the truth.
No theosophical lineage is higher then truth.