Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00335)

Dallas:
As associates who are independent are free to answer as they
understand matters, you will also receive different points of
view. There is no "united front" beyond the DECLARATION of the
ULT to which each associate is independently devoted, each in
their own way.

Frank:
If so, what then please is the reason that I can't find any independent,
unique, new statement over the decades in the ULT magazines? Does that mean
that all authors have found the absolute truth and have therefor an "united
view"?
What is the real reason why "new" researches never appeared in the ULT
magazines?
For example I can find one-sided stories about Robert Crosbie, but certain
facts about him are suppressed. Why?
If the ULT allows unbiased research and works impersonally, why then can
this descent into ignorance happen?
ULT'ers freqeuntly say that they suppress new evidences about Katherine
Tingley because that deals with personalities and they wnat no
personalities. And when - so they seems to think - they don't meddle with
personalities, well - then there is only the individuality what is left
over. Perhaps this is the reason why and how the ULT myth of being 6
rounders was created. But when the axiom is wrong, then all following
conclusions are wrong, too.
To my humble understanding the ULT view of the personality is a
misunderstanding, a parody or say an exoteric view of the the real esoteric
doctrine.
To me there is for an impersonel basic no reason to suppress new reseachers
for the only reason that does it not support the own believe system. On the
contrary, the more impersonel one is, the more he is willing to accept facts
with contradict the own former convinction.
So to me the example with Katherine Tingley and her relationship with ULT
founder Robert Crosbie shows how biased and offical ULT group mind works.
The only policital correct view the ULT accepts on Katherine Tingley is
based on the *personel* basic of Robert Crosbie.
But dealing with personalities is no stuff which makes a true Theosophist. N
evertheless the ULT'ers claim not only to be Theosophists but rather they
want to be regarded - without questioning - as superior Theosophists.

Dallas:
But I do believe it necessary to defend the fair name of
THEOSOPHY and of H.P.Blavatsky and W. Q. Judge whenever there
are erroneous statements made concerning them, from those who do
not seem to have studied their writings and know the Philosophy
well.

Frank:
Do you really defend HPB and Judge? Both HPB and Judge were loved Katherine
Tingley. Judge would never have brought her into the TS and ES without
pledges if he had learnt that HPB would not support her.
So why the ULT spreads lies against Mrs. Tingley? What is the real reason
for it?
If you hurt Tingley, then you also hurt Judge.
So why for heaven's sake the ULT's claim to support HPB and Judge?
As far as I can see the ULT's are misusing the names of HPB and Judge for
their own model.

Dallas:
I made the statement some few days ago that the U.L.T. was an
experiment or an attempt to establish a "6th Round institution"
in a "4th Round" environment. I made an error, and should have
written 5th Round -- a period of time, distant in our future,

Frank:
Thank you for clarification. But if the ULT is even in the 5th round they
would work impersonally and unbiased and give TRUTH a home. When will this
time come?