Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00317)

Dear Dallas,

This morning I read in one of your emails:

"I am really appalled by Daniel's suggestions and trend of inquiry.
What a waste of energy. As I see it he is prying into things.
Let him offer himself as an [ULT] associate and see if what I say is
any different."

So you think I am "prying" into things. And that is among other 
things. . . a waste of time? No doubt, from your point of view, all 
this questioning may be a waste of time - but not necessarily for 
others.

First of all, Dallas, I thought you believed in free inquiry, 
independent thinking, etc. But I guess you have your own definitions 
of these things. What is wrong with asking relevant questions, 
Dallas?

Please Dallas - step back and look at the total situation.

(1) Theos-talk is a public forum where anyone can discuss any 
theosophically related subject including wanting to know more about 
ULT. Eldon, the founder of this forum, does not moderate and 
therefore censor what is discussed.

(2) It was Dr. Tillett who wrote on this forum:

"In real terms, the ULT has always possessed a power structure and 
leadership as strong - indeed, arguably stronger since its existence 
is concealed - than any other Theosophical Society." This is a 
strong, definitive statement.

(3) You, Leon and other ULT associates then totally contradicted 
Tillett's statement.

(4) Furthermore, Leon said something to the effect that the ULT was 
a "superior" organization to other Theosophical societies. I don't 
have his exact quote right now but whatever his wording, it raised in 
the minds of a number of readers some questions about the nature of 
ULT.

(5) I also believe that the ULT was characterized as a "sixth round" 
organization. Again I have tried to find that quote this morning but 
haven't succeeded. Actually I believe it was you who said something 
like this. Again whatever the exact wording, it raised questions in 
the minds of some students and readers about the REAL nature of ULT.

(6) Bart made a number of observations about ULT that raised more 
questions.

(7) Leon wrote about the "Parent Lodge" and its ability to charter 
new lodges. You then replied and said he was totally wrong on this 
and then Leon recanted his position. But he fails to adequately 
explain why he used the term "Parent Lodge" in the first place and 
why he was confused about the "chartering" issue. Several other ULT 
associates still tell me that the ULT "charters" lodges. I don't 
have evidence one way or the other to settle this question, but again 
these contradictory views raise a number of troubling questions, 
including the issue of CONCEALMENT from outsiders of the true nature 
of ULT.

(8) Eldon (who has been an ULT associate for several years and is a 
very fair minded individual)even had questions about the structure 
and decision making process in ULT. I felt that some of his KEY 
questions were never properly answered --- in fact, one of his key 
issues appeared to be evaded even by you.

In light of the above and much more, don't you think that various 
persons reading all of this might not have some legitimate 
questions?? If such questioning is to be considered "prying" then so 
be it.

And now with Rich Taylor's frank and straightforward observations on 
ULT, even more legitimate questions are raised. 

Daniel