Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00134)

Many thanks Leon:

I am glad you got my meaning. Really it is PEACE to all.

I really prefer to spend my time in constructive things.

We'll see what comes.

Best wishes,

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: leonmaurer@aol.com [mailto:leonmaurer@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:35 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World ULT Day Letter

Sorry to butt in, but I couldn't let this one go by without
comment.

In a message dated 07/13/01 6:32:44 PM, ringding@blinx.de writes:

>>As to Frank: His point of view is that and ORGANIZATION is
>>essential. I don't think he gets the idea that one can be
>>INDEPENDENTLY DEVOTED TO THE CAUSE OF THEOSOPHY.
>
>Wrong, Dallas. You and everyone can do what they like.
>But I protest when the Hinayana way of the ULT is presented to
the
>uninformed an untrained internet public as a favorable model.

Right, Dallas.

What model? What is the "Hinayana way" of the ULT? How can a
lodge (or a
framework for study of ALL esoteric teachings) -- composed of
independent
students, studying the path toward the goal of "Self realization"
or
"enlightenment") that each, alone, is free to follow as he/she
"self
determines" -- have an overriding "organizational" goal, or be
labeled as
following ANY exoteric, (or esoteric) "way"?

Who guides it? Who enforces its will on its independent
associates? Where
and what are its objectives to "control" or steer the studies of
its
associates (other than its only published manifesto, the
"Declaration of the
ULT" -- which says it all)?
>
>>He seems to want the support of an organized group that can
tell
>>him what to do.
>
>That is only your porjection. Man, what kind of sect is that ULT
that you
>learn such twisted thinking???

No. That is only a reasonable observation based on what you say.

Since when can such a "lodge" (a voluntary association of
"independent"
students, not an organization) be a "sect" and have any separate
beliefs or
teachings that are not within the scope of the most ancient
esotericism as
taught by HPB at the root level of pure spirituality, along with
the
"fundamental principles" that are the ultimate foundation of all
organized
exoteric Buddhist "sects" such as the Hinayana, the Mahayana, or
the
Vajrayana? Isn't which way one goes in theosophical study or
practice still
a matter of individual choice?

Is there any such thing as an "esoteric" Buddhist sect -- or any
"organized"
sect for that matter? How can any "organization," with any
agenda for study
or practice, be "esoteric"? But, an "independent association"
certainly can
be -- depending on the individual choice of each student. So,
where's the
comparison?

Doesn't HPB's theosophical teachings (that ULT points to, along
with all its
confirmations in ancient literature and Master's teachings)
thoroughly cover
ALL of those directions of thought and practice at their deepest
levels? Are
not its root teachings (resting on the most ancient esoteric
document, the
Book of Dzyan, or "Book of the Golden Precepts" -- upon which the
entire
commentaries in the SD are based) sufficient evidence that there
are no
overriding ideas attributable to a non-organization like ULT that
can in any
way "twist" the thoughts of its independent students -- who can
study
theosophy from any source, in any way they choose? What's to
stop them or,
who's to conform them?

Who, or what evidence "conditioned" YOUR prejudicial thoughts
about the
"activities" of the ULT -- that you have so little first hand
knowledge
about?

Maybe, you still misunderstand that ULT, has no leaders or
directors with any
personal agendas that can influence any student who uses its
facilities,
study classes, lectures and libraries (without supervision,
guidance or
"obligation other than that which they themselves determine") to
learn and
practice whatever they can about theosophy, its metaphysical
science, its
esoteric occultism and its moral imperatives -- to whatever depth
each wishes
to penetrate -- under their own steam, using their own "self
devised and self
determined efforts." What's so Hinayana "cultish" about that?

Where and from whom did you hear any differently about the "aims
and purposes
of ULT"?
>
>>Remember that the ULT is a 6th ROUND concept
>
>Seems you are drunken. Do you really know what you speak?
>The ULT is only in the 6th round??
>I assumed the ULT is still on another PLANET.
>The ULT was, is and will ever be a purely exoteric organization.
You never
>had the higher teachings.
>ULT can be compared with Theravada Buddhism.
>The same dead letter believe, the same proud about the own
avidya and the
>same dogmatism if not fanatism.

That's a bold group of unfounded and pejorative statements that
have no
grounds in reality, misinform all the "uninformed an untrained
Internet
public," and which label you as an ignoramus about anything that
has to do
with the, aims, purposes and "ends in view" of the United Lodge
of
Theosophists.

Such specious arguments based on opinionated nonsense, along with
personally
insulting comments to boot, add nothing to your credibility.

LHM





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