Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00111)

Saturday, July 14, 2001


Dear Frank:


>From the general tenor of this and several other E-mail notes of
this date, there appears to be a great misunderstanding.

We are being involved in opinions, and as they differ, we may be
wasting our time.

THEOSOPHY (as I see it) is for study, verification and individual
application. We may debate its principles so that a better
understanding of those arises.

But some of the rather extreme forms of expression, I believe,
are not conducive to any great improvement of understanding on
matters we both have a deep respect for, namely THEOSOPHY.

Arguments and discussions about individuals and the part they
currently play or used to play in the past of the Theosophical
Movement are visible today in DOCUMENTS. If relevant, let us
bring them forward as evidence. Opinions have no force
otherwise.

In effect those (opinions) are time wasters. And they detract
(as I strongly feel) from the time we can constructively spend on
the study, promulgation and application of the PRINCIPLES OF
THEOSOPHY.

My guess is that most of those who participate in these exchanges
are interested in the PHILOSOPHY and its applications. This
time, and the effort we have spent, does not (I believe) add
anything to THEOSOPHY .
This illustrates the reason why THE UNITED LODGE OF THEOSOPHISTS
exists: As its DECLARATION states (1st paragraph) it does not
concern itself with "dissentions or differences of individual
opinion."

My answers are placed here on my own responsibility and
personally. I do not and cannot "speak" for the U.L.T. but I
can speak of what I have experienced, respect, and know.

If you have any FACTS, then present them please. I see no
reason to continue this particular exchange, unless some are
advanced.

Best wishes to you, as always, and many thanks for all your
constructive suggestions.


Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Reitemeyer [mailto:ringding@blinx.de]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 8:45 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World ULT Mysteries

Frank
>I would however observe that "anonymity" is not a crime, and in
>this case was deliberately adopted by the U.L.T. as a basis for
>impersonalizing all its work and directing attention to the main
>CAUSE for its existence; THE PRESERVATION AND THE PROMULGATION
>OF THE original teachings of THEOSOPHY.

Dallas, curiously enough, what you describe here as the reasons
why Robert
Crosbie left the Headquarters by free will (according to ULT
history) is on
the contrary exactly the same reason why Robert Crosbie was
ejected
((according to Point Loma history).

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DTB Kindly quote any published reference to this.


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Frank
I may also add that I have personally reviewed and checked almost
all of the references used in the 2 books mentioned [ THE
THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT -- 1875 - 1950 ] and have been able to
trace their sources or have seen, read or have actual copies of
the relevant items.

The problem with that book is not with that what is in, but with
that what was left out. Some say the kind how facts are selected
give the reader a misleading imagination about what happened.
This books gives me impression that self-righteousness is better
than self-criticism. In the worst case one could say a fanatical
sect under self hypnotization is
faking the facts to make themselves always looking good. I have
seen this sheme in all the splinter groups (Hartmann, Temple, I
Am, Anthroposophists).

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DTB I would be glad to receive references that can be
verified. Pasadena is not far from me and I can go there anytime
and ask about the things you have to offer for reference.


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Frank:
All they claims to be the better ones. Perhaps that's a needing
paradigma for them to survive.

The same experiments I have made with Communists. They are always
eager to quote from Karl Marx, no matter what facts you present
from the real world, they have always a quote from Marx that it
is not so.

Frank