Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00076)

Frank answers:
That is exactly the problem with the ULT and why the founder Robert Crosbie
was kicked out - the unfitness und unreadyness to recognize the duties and
the wide spread of such poisonal, twisted thinking over the decades is one
of the main reasons why the structure und organization of the whole theos.
movement - whether ULT, Adyar, Pasadena - today is nothing else that a dead
body, a parody of the original TS.

How can this wrong thinking of a single individual and his unfitness to
follow the clear instructions of the Masters and their messengers be a good
thing or even an example which we should follow. We should learn from the
past and not be proud about the mistakes of some unlucky individuals. If
there is no one who cares for organization then there will be chaos.


Dear Frank,

I'm really puzzled by your comments.

What is there about students getting together without formal organizational
ties that bothers you? It seems to me that this openness is the very spirit
of Theos-Talk, and why we are able to discuss things here without
interference, in a forum of open and free inquiry. How is this approach
"poisonal, twisted thinking?"

How is "the problem with the ULT" the cause of trouble in the "whole
theosophical movement?" What part of the "clear instructions of the
Masters" did Crosbie fail to follow, and what duties does his approach
avoid?


It seems to me that the "organization" problems of the movement that you
refer to are often precisely because of an over-emphasis on politics,
structure, who-gets-to-be-leader disputes, etc. Has your experience with
"chaos" been such that you value "organization" so very highly? How would
you suggest that we "care for organization" to be able to learn from the
past and avoid "the mistakes of some unlucky individuals?"

For what it may be worth, I for one have been critical of the
mis-applications made of these ideals by ULT Associates. But I see it as a
failure in practice, not a failure of principle. As Eldon once said, "we
tend to judge ourselves by our best motives, and to judge others by their
most recent, worst mistakes."

Anticipating your reply,

With Best Regards,
Wes