RE: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your foundation.
Mar 12, 2001 12:04 PM
by anathematize osculumInfame
nosnoj
From: "PORT" <nos@granite.net.au>
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Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your
foundation.
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:37:04 +1030
Yes - Sorry I have the actual hardcopy article and didn't realise the link
was not up yet. They normally put all articles online but they do take
their
time - I think so people will purchase the paper edition?
namaste
nos
-----Original Message-----
From: anathematize osculumInfame [mailto:anathematized@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2001 1:47 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your
foundation.
If nos is referring to the Dekorne article, I could not open that through
this link. Please specify. I appreciate your comments. ~a
>From: "PORT" <nos@granite.net.au>
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your
>foundation.
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:18:16 +1030
>
>http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/ this month contains an article on mind
>evolution being constrained by any belief system...interesting reading
>anyway.
>
>nos
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: anathematize osculumInfame [mailto:anathematized@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, 8 March 2001 12:01 PM
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com; mhart@idirect.ca
>Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your
>foundation.
>
>
>Bula ppl.
>M and Dal, To say that sounds of trees falling or musical sounds may be
>conceptualized, OR to use metaphors to describe any perception of
Reality,
>reveals a lack of clarity. Admittedly, analogies and metaphors are the
>limits of language under which information/ knowledge of the previously
>UNKOWN is translated into the KNOWN, but whenever possible the metaphor
>should be abandoned.
>
>With and without the person available to perceive the event, sound is
>merely
>a change in the pressure of air transmitted in waves. Without the
>perceiver,
>there is no audible sound. Indeed no sound at all.
>
>Regarding: Universal Economy, it is evident that the nesting of fractals
>within larger components AND the use of the same materials for unlimited
>functions or diverse creations expresses a purity of design and form.
>However, the search for complexity within the Universal is
>or should be known to be the entertainments of the lower mind. If you
>continue to avoid the obvious, precious energy is expended.
>
>In addition, becoming our true nature embraces our Being as metaphysical
>unity, embracing multiplicity within unity, and embracing all attributes
>and
>qualifications. When the perceiver increases perspective on the
>intersection
>of ALL, the nature of the intersection is revealed as increasing because
>the
>witness is increasing, not because reality is increasing. It is the duty
of
>the witness to separate the images and impressions from the perceiver
>within
>as a great reservoir of untapped potential. When You as a perceiver avoid
>the obvious, you deny the release of unlimited potentialities.
>
>Reality will continue to unfold unconditionally. Its lines of force
>arousing
>dormant ideas by flowing through conduits which are obscured and clogged
>barriers limiting progress. These regressions into the recitation of
>doctrines holds us back as sure as embracing and increasing connections
>enrich and nourish transcending divinity.
>
>It is a good thing, when one moves forward. It is a greater moment when
one
>transcends the threshold that has been a limitation. Love~ anathematize
> >From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: "m" <mhart@idirect.ca>
> >Subject: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your
> >foundation.
> >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:54:18 -0800
> >
> >Wednesday, March 07, 2001
> >
> >
> >Dear M------
> >
> >
> > Searching -- From Known To Unknown -- use Analogies if
> >possible
> >
> >Any search starts from the KNOWN and proceeds to the UNKNOWN. But as
the
> >Universe is logical and works economically most processes are analogous
>and
> >similar regardless of the level or plane that is considered. For
>instance
> >human reincarnation can be compared to the re-manifestation of a
Universe
> >or
> >a solar system. The UNIVERSAL SPIRIT may be analogous to the “Ray of
>that
> >U. spirit” which incarnates in the Man and is the basis for the EGO.
And
> >so
> >on.
> >
> >The unanswerable Zen Koans merely point to the fact that whether there
is
>a
> >hearer or not, the phenomena of sound pervades and completes the
>equation.
> >Nature is logical. Man using his LOWER MIND invents difficulties that
>are
> >non-existent, and wastes time, that could otherwise be spent
> >constructively.
> >The Zen masters desired at an early stage to separate the “awake” from
>the
> >“dormant” minds. These were some of the tests. The HIGHER MIND
> >(Buddhi-Manas) long ago solved such things and became advisor to the
> >embodied brain-mind
> >
> >
> > ESSENTIALS -- You decide
> >
> >If you want ESSENTIALS, then why not start with the FUNDAMENTALS As
found
> >in
> >the S.D. Vol., I pp 14 -20
> >
> >1. GOD/SPACE IMPERSONAL
> >2. LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT-- universal and personal
> >3. UNIVERSAL EVOLUTION from MONAD to Atom, to MAN to A GOD.
> >
> >Are they reasonable?
> >
> >One thing is inescapable. WE ALL DECIDE FOR OURSELVES. Even the
decision
> >not to decide is still a DECISION.
> >
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >Dallas
> >
> >
> >MORE ESSENTIALS
> >
> >PS In the course of your search and wanderings, what have you learned?
> >Are
> >you sure of anything? Yourself? The Universe around you, and any
>relation
> >you may establish between yourself and the rest ?
> >
> >Is your mind in a whirl? Where to begin?
> >
> >Why not set down on a sheet of paper your assets and liabilities and
> >compare
> >them. How do they relate to you? Are you sure of them?
> >
> >Use a separate sheet for WHAT YOU KNOW
> >
> >And another for what your want to question -- condense it into easy
> >phrases.
> >Long years ago I started that way, and it helped. But I had to do the
> >work.
> >
> >D
> >
> >=======================================
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: m Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 4:41 AM
> >To:
> >Subject: SEARCH
> >
> >
> >
> >Hello again,
> >Couple of things. That post from Jerome about devotion re Dharma/duty
>had
> >Meaning for me in that, in my way, that kind of duty-Dharma would
seem
>to
> >be part of my belief-content within, among other things, my belief in
by
> >devotion to my SEARCH for more and more meaning, or Meaning. So if
you
> >sometimes wonder why I tend to pose so many questions, (rhetorical
or
> >otherwise), in my posts, it's because I'm SEARCHING. And I sometimes
>wind
> >up trying to answer my own questions, too. For example:
> >As for the two Zen Koans about the one hand clapping and whether
there's
>a
> >sound in the forest if no one's listening: I think that, essentially
>(but
> >how "essential" can one get, potentially?---which would seem to be what
> >theosophic study is all about, as I see it), the answer is, for both
> >Koans,
> >that regardless of whether or not something is "logical" in a given
"what
> >if" scenario, there is always the matter of possible concepts: one can
> >conceptualize sound, symphonies, whatever:
> >Essentially, would not one need to have a measure of
> >pre-conditioned/conceiving, "Essentially conditioned," mentality in
order
> >to
> >"hear" anything, anyway? So the way I tend to see it, everything
(around
> >here) would seem to be concept-related, First, and the "after-effects"
>(of
> >a
> >"Conditioned environment,"such as "the earth plane") would include
>various
> >related phenomena, such as "sound," etc. And so, whether a "sound" is
> >"heard" or not is less relevant, in a sense, than the essential concept
>of
> >that or any other sound or perception: the concept of a sound, for
>example,
> >comes first (or First) and then the effect of that concept follows.
> >Anyway,
> >that's my current thinking about Koans.
> >So, basically, I BELIEVE in my SEARCH (which may seem "too questioning"
>to
> >you?), and everything else has to take a back seat in my order of
> >priorities, at the moment---in case you were wondering.
> >I won't try to answer everything in this post, but it's a start. More
> >later, I guess.
> >M
>
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