Theos-Talk Archives (March 2001 Message tt00070)

Bula ppl.
M and Dal, To say that sounds of trees falling or musical sounds may be 
conceptualized, OR to use metaphors to describe any perception of Reality, 
reveals a lack of clarity. Admittedly, analogies and metaphors are the 
limits of language under which information/ knowledge of the previously 
UNKOWN is translated into the KNOWN, but whenever possible the metaphor 
should be abandoned.

With and without the person available to perceive the event, sound is merely 
a change in the pressure of air transmitted in waves. Without the perceiver, 
there is no audible sound. Indeed no sound at all.

Regarding: Universal Economy, it is evident that the nesting of fractals 
within larger components AND the use of the same materials for unlimited 
functions or diverse creations expresses a purity of design and form. 
However, the search for complexity within the Universal is
or should be known to be the entertainments of the lower mind. If you 
continue to avoid the obvious, precious energy is expended.

In addition, becoming our true nature embraces our Being as metaphysical 
unity, embracing multiplicity within unity, and embracing all attributes and 
qualifications. When the perceiver increases perspective on the intersection 
of ALL, the nature of the intersection is revealed as increasing because the 
witness is increasing, not because reality is increasing. It is the duty of 
the witness to separate the images and impressions from the perceiver within 
as a great reservoir of untapped potential. When You as a perceiver avoid 
the obvious, you deny the release of unlimited potentialities.

Reality will continue to unfold unconditionally. Its lines of force arousing 
dormant ideas by flowing through conduits which are obscured and clogged 
barriers limiting progress. These regressions into the recitation of 
doctrines holds us back as sure as embracing and increasing connections 
enrich and nourish transcending divinity.

It is a good thing, when one moves forward. It is a greater moment when one 
transcends the threshold that has been a limitation. Love~ anathematize
> From: dalval14@earthlink.net
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: "m" <mhart@idirect.ca>
> Subject: Theos-World RE: SEARCH Use analogies but make sure of your 
> foundation.
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:54:18 -0800
>
> Wednesday, March 07, 2001
>
>
> Dear M------
>
>
> Searching -- From Known To Unknown -- use Analogies if 
> possible
>
> Any search starts from the KNOWN and proceeds to the UNKNOWN. But as the
> Universe is logical and works economically most processes are analogous and
> similar regardless of the level or plane that is considered. For instance
> human reincarnation can be compared to the re-manifestation of a Universe 
> or
> a solar system. The UNIVERSAL SPIRIT may be analogous to the “Ray of that
> U. spirit” which incarnates in the Man and is the basis for the EGO. And 
> so
> on.
>
> The unanswerable Zen Koans merely point to the fact that whether there is a
> hearer or not, the phenomena of sound pervades and completes the equation.
> Nature is logical. Man using his LOWER MIND invents difficulties that are
> non-existent, and wastes time, that could otherwise be spent 
> constructively.
> The Zen masters desired at an early stage to separate the “awake” from the
> “dormant” minds. These were some of the tests. The HIGHER MIND
> (Buddhi-Manas) long ago solved such things and became advisor to the
> embodied brain-mind
>
>
> ESSENTIALS -- You decide
>
> If you want ESSENTIALS, then why not start with the FUNDAMENTALS As found 
> in
> the S.D. Vol., I pp 14 -20
>
> 1. GOD/SPACE IMPERSONAL
> 2. LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT-- universal and personal
> 3. UNIVERSAL EVOLUTION from MONAD to Atom, to MAN to A GOD.
>
> Are they reasonable?
>
> One thing is inescapable. WE ALL DECIDE FOR OURSELVES. Even the decision
> not to decide is still a DECISION.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Dallas
>
>
> MORE ESSENTIALS
>
> PS In the course of your search and wanderings, what have you learned? 
> Are
> you sure of anything? Yourself? The Universe around you, and any relation
> you may establish between yourself and the rest ?
>
> Is your mind in a whirl? Where to begin?
>
> Why not set down on a sheet of paper your assets and liabilities and 
> compare
> them. How do they relate to you? Are you sure of them?
>
> Use a separate sheet for WHAT YOU KNOW
>
> And another for what your want to question -- condense it into easy 
> phrases.
> Long years ago I started that way, and it helped. But I had to do the 
> work.
>
> D
>
> =======================================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: m Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 4:41 AM
> To:
> Subject: SEARCH
>
>
>
> Hello again,
> Couple of things. That post from Jerome about devotion re Dharma/duty had
> Meaning for me in that, in my way, that kind of duty-Dharma would seem to
> be part of my belief-content within, among other things, my belief in by
> devotion to my SEARCH for more and more meaning, or Meaning. So if you
> sometimes wonder why I tend to pose so many questions, (rhetorical or
> otherwise), in my posts, it's because I'm SEARCHING. And I sometimes wind
> up trying to answer my own questions, too. For example:
> As for the two Zen Koans about the one hand clapping and whether there's a
> sound in the forest if no one's listening: I think that, essentially (but
> how "essential" can one get, potentially?---which would seem to be what
> theosophic study is all about, as I see it), the answer is, for both 
> Koans,
> that regardless of whether or not something is "logical" in a given "what
> if" scenario, there is always the matter of possible concepts: one can
> conceptualize sound, symphonies, whatever:
> Essentially, would not one need to have a measure of
> pre-conditioned/conceiving, "Essentially conditioned," mentality in order 
> to
> "hear" anything, anyway? So the way I tend to see it, everything (around
> here) would seem to be concept-related, First, and the "after-effects" (of 
> a
> "Conditioned environment,"such as "the earth plane") would include various
> related phenomena, such as "sound," etc. And so, whether a "sound" is
> "heard" or not is less relevant, in a sense, than the essential concept of
> that or any other sound or perception: the concept of a sound, for example,
> comes first (or First) and then the effect of that concept follows. 
> Anyway,
> that's my current thinking about Koans.
> So, basically, I BELIEVE in my SEARCH (which may seem "too questioning" to
> you?), and everything else has to take a back seat in my order of
> priorities, at the moment---in case you were wondering.
> I won't try to answer everything in this post, but it's a start. More
> later, I guess.
> M
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