Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00189)

Hello Eugene,

I would be interested if you could offer some reference to where HPB uses
that particular 7-fold definition of:

> Logoic
> Monadic
> Atmic
> Buddhic
> Manasic
> Astral(Kamic)
> Etheric/physical(astral, in the old literature)

With regards the reference on SD I 181. This is the triple evolutionary
scheme during the ROUNDS that is being referred to, is it not. These three
being:

1. Monadic
2. Intellectual
3. Physical

These are the three streams necessary for the formation of the three
*periodical-Upadhis* in which ATMA operates. So, aleady we have a question
mark as to the 7-fold division above which places the Monadic plane above
Atma.

If you turn to SD I 157, you will see ATMA and the three
"periodical-Upadhis" outlined in the table of Principles under the heading
of Taraka Raja Yoga (shown on the left below). These are:


ATMA ATMA

KARANOPADHI (Buddhi. Together with ATMA
is the MONAD in 'man')

SUKSHMOPADHI (Manas: and Manas-Kama during
incarnation)

STHULOPADHI (The astral body ie Linga Sarira
Prana
Sthula sarira ie physical body)

In the above you will see Atma and its 3 Upadhis in the left hand column;
the seven human principles in the right hand column.

"Though there are seven principles in man, there are but three distinct
Upadhis (bases) in each of which is ATMA may work independently of the rest.
These three Upadhis can be separated by an Adept without killing himself.
He cannot seperate the seven principles from each other without destroying
his constitution." (On SD I 158)

As an additional thought, if you are interested in how these might relate to
the Dhyanis, one suggestion would be that:

KARANOPADHI has a correspondence with the
Dhyani-Buddhas

SUKSHMOPADHI ... with the Agnishwattas, the
Solar Pitris who awakened the
fire of Manas in 3rd root race
humanity.

STHULOPADHI ... with the Barhishads, the Lunar
Pitris which provided the 'astral
model' in the 1st/2nd Root Races and
around which the physical body was
eventually formed.


best wishes to you, as always,
...Peter






> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Carpenter [mailto:Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us]
> Sent: 25 February 2001 17:52
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Emotional growth
>
>
> Dear Dallas,
>
> The planes as given seem to me the standard seven planes used in
> old and new
> theosophical literature including HPB's work and in The Theosophist. They
> are the major key to communication. For example please see: The
> Theosophist for December, 1899, Chart XII, entitled, Parabrahm, for the
> magnificent Bird's Eye View. The seven cosmic planes are depicted. The
> seventh cosmic plane is the cosmic physical plane and it's
> subplanes are our
> systemic planes, our metaphysical planes:
>
> Logoic
> Monadic
> Atmic
> Buddhic
> Manasic
> Astral(Kamic)
> Etheric/physical(astral, in the old literature)
>
>
> The reference you have given on page 181 is indeed a bit perplexing until
> one can see that she is refering to the seven planes in their three major
> divisions that correspond to the three major aspects of the ONE:
>
> Monadic planes
>
> Logoic
> Monadic
> Higher Atmic
>
> Intellectual Planes
>
> Lower Atmic
> Buddhic
> Higher Manasic
>
> Physical planes
>
> Lower Manasic
> Astral(kamic)
> Higher physical(etheric physical)
>
> The gross physical is the basis for appearance to us of the etheric
> physical(the body of habits or human behavior)(i.e. ethics) which is the
> real, yet invisible to most, basis for the expression of all the higher
> planes, or states of consciousness.
>
>
> So. Assuming that the chart from "The Theosophist" is correct, let's
> understand it. It will be the basis for a quantum leap into greater
> understanding.
>
> For those who don't have access to this chart, try "Treatise on
> Cosmic Fire"
> Page 1230 and while you are at it look at chart V as well, in the
> same book.
> The charts are from the old theosophical periodicals and probably clearly
> acceptable to HPB however I can't judge that as I don't know
> enough. Ignore
> Cosmic Fire, but, the Charts, at least, seem intensely informative and
> valuable.
>
>
> The Monadic planes, the Intellectual Planes, and the Physical Planes
> correspond well to the same division ideas in transpersonal psychology and
> are refered to as the Transcendental States of Consciousness, The
> Transpersonal States of Consciousness, the Personal States of
> Consciousness.
>
> Please question everything I state as I am often wrong.
>
> Your friend and companion, indeed, truely,
>
> Eugene
>