Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00094)

We also find this term used by Mahatmas KH and M, in letters to Sinnett &
Hume. Below are just a few examples, the first showing that appearances and
moral talk can be deceptive.

Peter

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"(4) I am sorry to contradict your statement. I know of no "thousands of
spirits" who do appear in circles -- and moreover positively do not know of
one "perfectly pure circle" -- and "teach the highest morality." I hope I
may not be classed with slanderers in addition to other names lately
bestowed upon me, but truth compels me to declare that Allan Kardec was not
quite immaculate during his lifetime, nor has become a very pure Spirit
since. As to teaching the "highest morality," we have a Dugpa-Shammar not
far from where I am residing. Quite a remarkable man. Not very powerful as a
sorcerer but excessively so, as a drunkard, a thief, a liar, and -- an
orator. In this latter role he could give points to and beat Messrs.
Gladstone, Bradlaugh, and even the Rev. H. W. Beacher -- than whom, there is
no more eloquent preacher of morality, and no greater breaker of his Lord's
Commandments in the U.S.A. This Shapa-tung Lama, when thirsty, can make an
enormous audience of "yellow-cap" laymen weep all their yearly supply of
tears, with the narrative of his repentance and suffering in the morning,
and then get drunk in the evening and rob the whole village by mesmerising
them into a dead sleep."
(Letter No. 20c from Mahatma KH)
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"Only, look out sharp: the Dugpas and the Gelupkas are not fighting but in
Tibet alone, see their vile work in England among the "Occultists and
seers!" (Letter No. 47 from Mahatma M)

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"The air is full of the pestilence of treachery; unmerited opprobrium is
showering upon the Society and falsehood and forgery have been used to
overthrow it. Ecclesiastical England and official Anglo India have secretly
joined hands to have their worst suspicions verified if possible and at the
first plausible pretext to crush the movement. Every infamous device is to
be employed in the future as it has in the present to discredit us as its
promoters, and yourselves as its supporters. For the opposition represents
enormous vested interests, and they have enthusiastic help from the
Dugpas -- in Bhootan and the Vatican!" (Letter No 55 from Mahatma KH)

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You have once upon a time called us Jesuits; and, viewing things as you do,
perhaps, you were right to a certain extent in so regarding us, since
apparently our systems of training do not differ much. But it is only
externally. As I once said before, they know that what they teach is a lie;
and we know that what we impart is truth, the only truth and nothing but the
truth. They work for the greater power and glory (!) of their order; we --
for the power and final glory of individuals, of isolated units, of humanity
in general, and we are content, nay forced -- to leave our Order and its
chiefs entirely in the shade. They work, and toil, and deceive, for the sake
of worldly power in this life; we work and toil, and allow our chelas to be
temporarily deceived, to afford them means never to be deceived hereafter,
and to see the whole evil of falsity and untruth, not alone in this but in
many of their after lives. They -- the Jesuits sacrifice the inner
principle, the Spiritual brain of the ego, to feed and develop the better
the physical brain of the personal evanescent man, sacrificing the whole
humanity to offer it as a holocaust to their Society -- the insatiable
monster feeding on the brain and marrow of humanity, and developing an
incurable cancer on every spot of healthy flesh it touches. We -- the
criticized and misunderstood Brothers -- we seek to bring men to sacrifice
their personality -- a passing flash -- for the welfare of the whole
humanity, hence for their own immortal Egos, a part of the latter, as
humanity is a fraction of the integral whole, that it will one day become.
They are trained to deceive; we -- to undeceive; they do the scavenger's
work themselves -- barring a few poor sincere tools of theirs -- con amore,
and for selfish ends; we -- leave it to our menials -- the dugpas at our
service, by giving them carte blanche for the time being, and with the sole
object of drawing out the whole inner nature of the chela, most of the nooks
and corners of which, would remain dark and concealed for ever, were not an
opportunity afforded to test each of these corners in turn. Whether the
chela wins or loses the prize -- depends solely of himself. (Letter No. 30
from Mahatma KH)
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"In our mountains here, the Dugpas lay at dangerous points, in paths
frequented by our Chelas, bits of old rag, and other articles best
calculated to attract the attention of the unwary, which have been
impregnated with their evil magnetism. If one be stepped upon a tremendous
psychic shock may be communicated to the wayfarer, so that he may lose his
footing and fall down the precipice before he can recover himself. Friend,
beware of Pride and Egoism, two of the worst snares for the feet of him who
aspires to climb the high paths of Knowledge and Spirituality. You have
opened a joint of your armour for the Dugpas -- do not complain if they have
found it out and wounded you there." (Letter No. 66 from Mahatma KH)

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"The Dugpa opposition is tremendous and unless we devote the whole of our
time to watching her, the "Old Lady" would come to grief since she is now
unable to take care of herself." (Letter 10, Mahatma KH)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Reitemeyer [mailto:ringding@blinx.de]
> Sent: 12 February 2001 16:16
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World The use of "Dugpa"
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> Dear Bruce,
> thanks for answer. I see, we are on different planes.
> What you wrote is no contradition to that what I wrote.
> I fear you did not understand my position.
> HPB used the term with occult backgriund, wheras you
> use the word with scientific knowledge.
> You are simply playing with the words, the gramma etc.
> but that does not alter the meaning.
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> For a Theosophist the Dugpas are basicly black magians,
> for others not. What then?
> For some Hitler is a bad person, for others he is a hero.
> But for those who give him bad names it is no misuse fo terms
> as they are subjectively convinst that he was evil.
> The Dugpas are sometimes also known as black hats.
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> > She just made a mistake based on the limited knowledge back then.
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> The mistake is with your thinking only. HPB seems to me have been well
> aware of what she wrote.
> You just intermix cause and effect as you are only thinking. Use your
> higher powers. When HPB was working the term was there and she used
> the terms which she did find among the men. Would there have been instead
> of it the term Mickey Mouse she would have used that.
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> Or, if you like, you can rename the Dupgas as Donald Duck, but
> even if they
> are all called Donalds they remain what they are, the unreformed remnants
> whose direction is to the left hand path.
> Frank
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