Theos-Talk Archives (December 2000 Message tt00062)

December 21, 2000

Solstice -- days should now grow longer. Best wishes for 2001

Dear Gene:

Perhaps the numeration of the planes differs in some systems, and
as the characteristic of BUDDHI as a plane is to RECORD and
REPRODUCE the WISDOM OF THE PAST (Universally and individually)
one of its functions is to act as a monitor/tutor -- one that
responds to the inquiries of Manas (the actor, the doer, the Ego,
the Mind) which is the active agent (through Lower Manas or
Kama-manas, the emotional-mind) active on our present plane and
within the limits of our material form and physical existence.
Perhaps this might be:

1.	ABSOLUTE --
2.	ATMA (universal ONE SPIRIT) --
3.	.(individualization of a "RAY" of ATMA by its union with
Buddhi -- MONAD ) --
[see S.D. II 231fn]
4.	MAHAT (universal Mind) - in Man it is MANAS the Higher when
united with Buddhi,
[ see S.D. II 230-1 as the "higher Self] and
5.	LOWER MANAS (Kama-Manas) when the mind is united in the
Personality with KAMA.
6.	KAMA (universal DESIRE for completeness - CAUSE of individual
existence --
S.D. II 176 top: "Desire first arose in it..." and S.D. II
578-9)

And so on. [ S.D. I 222 247; II 74 167 275 635 ]

I am of the opinion that it might be incorrect for me to say that
any one of the forces which are represented in Man by a
description of the "principles," will operate, or be even
affected by forces used to influence the physiological centers
(chakras) that the ancient Hindu and Chinese practitioners of
psychology and medicine have discovered and use.

Spiritual powers and force does not depend on any physical
influence we may impose of a physical "chakra." I would rather
suggest that the force/power of our will, acting under desire,
with a motive to heal (or otherwise), will affect the
physiological as well as the psychic planes and principles -- but
the nature of the truly SPIRITUAL precludes such influence,
although it may be noted, of course. How do we, spiritual beings
in essence learn how to live and work through physical matter and
all its karmic and other limitations? What will be use as
practical alchemists? What are the paths and disciplines? Did
you ever read the article (early in Theosophist I believe) title
THE ELIXIR OF LIFE [ 1st article in FIVE YEARS OF THEOSOPHY ] ?

Theosophical occultism seems to say: So long as any vestige of
personal desire (for self, personal-benefit) is present, it will
not be possible for the truly SPIRITUAL elements to act. How
could the UNIVERSAL, IMPERSONAL, and ETERNAL have any but a most
fleeting and passing relationship with the ephemeral and
transitory whims and feelings we might generate as persons? Yet,
we as humans have the mirroring of that very REAL EXISTENCE -- in
our minds (kama-manas).

Something attracts and inspires that. What is it? What is the
process of "becoming spiritual," of changing from
self-centeredness (selfishness in desire and feeling) to the
universally-centered MIND (which asks: Why am I here? What are
my true duties?"

Of course, to us, our personality, and its wants, desires and
so-called needs are important. But, are they truly long-lasting?
Do they lead to an apotheosis of the total nature of the
individual or are they selfish in some way? What is the
objective of any selfish or self-protective plan? How long will
it last? Will it still be valid and useful, 10 or 20 years
hence? Each one has to answer for themselves such questions, I
believe. If we are truly immortal beings the question of motive
(and the ethico-moral) nature of our decisions is absolutely
crucial to our progress and to any interaction we might generate
or sustain with others -- whether humans or otherwise.

But I also sense that there may be a wide gap between the
UNIVERSAL view and many Personal attitudes and reasons.. Then (to
me) arises the question: Why is there any "Personal Self" at
all?

I imagine that each component (principle) of "myself," at its own
level, in the "personality," is an individual (or a congeries, a
host) of MONAD(s), and each is due its own "Path of Progress."

How am I concerned in that? We happen to have attracted masses
of such MONADS to our environment, and therefore have become
karmically responsible for their assistance. We also know that
we could have no physical existence without their own cooperation
and self-sacrificial assistance. They serve us as the main
constituents of the forms or bodies that we use: physical,
astral, psychic, mental, etc...What would you say ? Does this
not lead us back to cooperation and brotherhood and voluntary
service ? We forever live on the knife-edge of TIME. The Future
becomes the fleeting Present and then recedes into the
irreversible PAST.

I agree that the "wise Scientist" could offer ideas which (if
taken to heart) might change the world. I would also suggest
that the S.D. may be the product of three (or more) of such WISE
SCIENTISTS. Does not all wisdom belong to everyone? Truth
cannot be patented, and then sequestered for selfish profit (for
very long).

It will be good to see over time how much of the information
given in THE SECRET DOCTRINE will attract that attention which
will produce this. I see evidence of such "dipping" all the
time. Theosophy will become "popular" some time. But so long as
people approach its doors, they will not be able to extract the
most useful directions, until their motives are self-changed to
altruism compassion, and brotherhood as a practical way of
living. In the meantime we have to work on our own "lower"
selves and bring about as great a change and improvement as
possible there. How do immortals live? How is it possible to
reject the concept of immortality? What is there to live for?
There are times in one's life when (I think) such questions
become essential and valid. There is a LIFE to them and they are
not morbid in any way.

Pardon me if I sound somewhat "preachy" -- but I really don't men
to do that, as you know these things quite well and all I really
am trying to do is to find out if I am thinking along lines you
are used to.

Best wishes,

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Carpenter [mailto:Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:45 AM
To: theos-talk@egroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World INTUITION What is it?

Dear Dallas,

Excellent comments on the intuition; very intuitive!

As I understand it the buddhic intuition comes from the budhhic
state of
consciousness on the 4th plane and from within all of us. It
manifests
through the heart centre within the higher astral(emotional)
state of
consciousness. Therefore it is indeed closely associated with
the Higher
Self from the Transpersonal states of consciousness and with
compassion
through the heart centre, or, with the Heart of hearts and the
heart.

However, as you point out so well, the solar plexus centre, a
very personal
centre, also is present and in the lower astral(emotional) state
of
consciousness. Which is the buddhic intuition coming through the
abstract
mind(higher manas) and manifesting through our feelings via the
heart centre
and which is personal need replete with glamourous distortion and
supported
by bad habits, rationalization and lower mental illusions? I
love your
acute discernment of which may be which. And. It is here that
the wisdom
of the higher mind and the science of the lower mind must be
bridged and
work together with the transpersonal Ego(higher self) and clearly
discern
which is which. May these three minds unite! The study of the
difference
between the transpersonal Buddhic Intuitive Love of the Higher
Self and the
personal instinctive needs of the lower self has just got to be
one of the
most important studies that the mind might make. What a
contribution the
Wise-Scientist might make to our civilization and culture!

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-SD-BN" <sd@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:32 PM
Subject: Theos-World INTUITION What is it?


> December 19, 2000
>
> I noted that INTUITION was being looked into.
>
> I recall one wise man saying years ago, when asked: "By all
> means do trust your intuition, but. Make sure that it is not
the
> intuition of a fool." Many a time I have wondered about that.
> It has made me very cautious, about my own ideas and about
> other's.
>
> It could be true or it could be vitiated by the "psychic" plane
> (and its distortions) since all such "communications" (or GUT
> FEELINGS ?) have to enter our Lower Manasic plane of the
> brain-mind before we can apprehend them.
>
> The moment we see "feeling" we know there is something
"psychic"
> about it. Then one asks" What is the motive?" It may be
> worthwhile to wait some time and see if the "intuition" holds
> good for several days, or are other factors which change it
> emerging? Whenever there is a pressure for "speed in
decision,"
> or whenever there is any doubt, it is better to "abstain" for a
> while. A true "intuition" will still be valid after a time.
>
> It is a characteristic of the psychic plane that speed is
> involved. The pressure to "decide or you loose an
opportunity,"
> indicates to the truly INTUITIVE individual that care and time
> are needed -- for the matter to be fully and logically thought
> out.
>
> Another characteristic of psychic motivation is that the
RESULTS
> OF CHOICE ARE NOT CONSIDERED. It takes a mind with the memory
of
> the past to provide anticipation of future results. Tis is
> usually a range of potential results that would arise from a
> proposed present choice, be these words, thoughts, or actions.
> The thoughtful man invites intuitions, and carefully considers
> them. The impetuous person fears, or transforms them. One
fact
> is clear, and that is: it is THE MIND of the individual (the
> REAL PERSON -- the Manasic being) which is the final actor, the
> final "decider." He makes Karma and to him Karma returns
> eventually the results of his decisions in all things, whether
> large or small.
>
> I often wondered if I could be a "fool" and sometimes have
> doubted strongly such flashes. I spoke of this with several
> friends, and they pointed out that there could be no special
> possession of any great TRUTHS. If an intuition were true,
they
> also pointed out, then it came from BUDDHI-MANAS (the Higher
> Manas). It would be something that others using the test-tube
of
> universal wisdom could also agree to.
>
> In the KEY TO THEOSOPHY H.P.B. points out that intuition was a
> communication of spiritual consciousness" (p. 137); also a
basis
> for "true faith" (p. 220); and it could be an "aid to
> development." (p. 240) In one of her articles H.P.B. says that
> it carries the mind into the formless Spirit [ H.P.B. Articles
I
> 43 ]. Again she calls it "an instinct of the soul, [a]
> projection of perceptive consciousness." [ H.P.B. Articles I
> 428-9 ]. Again: "spiritual instinct which conceives of the
> Infinite." [ H.P.B. Articles I 432-3 ]
>
> In her article WHAT SHALL WE DO FOR OUR FELLOW-MEN she says:
> "...as far as we accept Vedantic or Buddhistic doctrines, we
only
> do so because we have been convinced by the reasons given; or,
> where the reasons prove to be beyond our comprehension, but
where
> our intuition tells us: this, nevertheless, is likely to be
> true, we try our best to make our understanding follow our
> intuition." [ H.P.B. Articles I p. 461 ]
>
> Mr. Judge calls it a "great combining faculty" [W.Q.J.
Articles
> I 450], and, in another article says that it is the "only means
> of understanding truth from higher planes" -- and, "unselfish
> effort develops it." [W.Q.J. Articles II 352-4] Still
further
> he says in one place: "But whatever intuition is, it can only
be
> cultivated by having the right mental poise, the right
philosophy
> and the right ethics..." [ "Forum" Answers, W.Q.J. , p. 114 ]
>
> Mr. Judge, in one place avers that "conscience" [an aspect of
the
> intuitive processes] has its source in the Higher Self (ATMA),
> and as it comes down through plane after plane it loses its
force
> or retains power according to the life and education of the
being
> on earth...I do not mean that conscience is a matter of
> education, but that the power of its utterances will be limited
> by our education, and consequently if we have a bigoted
religion
> or a non-philosophical system we are likely to prevent
ourselves
> from hearing from our conscience. And in those cases where men
> are doing wrong according to what they call their conscience,
it
> must be true that they have so warped their intuition as not to
> understand the voice of the inward monitor." [W.Q.J. FORUM
> Answers p. 88-9]
>
> In the SECRET DOCTRINE, we find H.P.B. saying Intuition "soars
> above thought" (S.D. I p. 1fn, 278-9); Divine intuition is
> needed for deep truth ( S.D. II 516). Spiritual intuition is
> not clairvoyance (S.D. I p. 460) It is a "spiritual" faculty
> (S.D. I 329fn 644)
>
> I think this gives a range of responses all pointing to the
ways
> in which Theosophy says we may consider an incoming
"intuition,"
> and how we ought to respond to it. We should never forget that
> the ATMA is within each of us and that its teachings ought to
be
> always considered. We are actually brothers with the whole of
> Nature, so true intuitions reflect the laws of compassion and
> self-sacrifice as we recognize ways and means of assisting
others
> in their lives.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
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