Re: The theosophic creed and the term naustika:
Nov 20, 2000 06:26 PM
I agree Nick!
It's a good thing we don't expect people in theosophy or
elsewhere to believe in these things, otherwise I fear we'd be
shrinking faster than we are already... something like the
"incredible shrinking woman" or such.
I raised the point about naustika because of the confusion which
is a natural one with soem of our Hindu friends who hear the
term Gnostic and due to the phonetic similarity assume the word
is identical. Gnostic would be closer to Jnani perhaps.
We needn't be so hard on ourselves Nick!
"Belief based on the ignoring of evidence seems to be your
preference. I prefer the opposite; confidence based on
testimony of witnesses -- such testimony being a large part of
my confidence in the Brothers physical existence."
If that's good enough for you then so be it. Let's agree to
disagree. I've been willing to consider anything you have to
present on the subject and I think there's still more evidence
needed to substantiate your belief.
Let me say that I do believe in superior spiritual beings in the
universe as well as incarnate, living masters and have had the
great fortune to meet some of them!
We need to acknowledge and support living, incarnate masters
who are active in the work of spiritual science in the planet today.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Nick Weeks" <nick.weeks@a...>
> >never in any lecture I heard or study that I
> > attended in those years, mostly from the late fifies or early
> > was there a statement of belief or required faith of belief of
> > physical existence of these mahatmas... now I certainly read
> > about them, but no one ever asked me to subscribe to this
> > belief, but from what at least three of us are saying it would
> > appear to be an article of faith or belief.
> Nor has anyone here and now asked for, or expected, your
belief in the
> Adepts. Belief based on the ignoring of evidence seems to be
> preference. I prefer the opposite; confidence based on
> witnesses -- such testimony being a large part of my
confidence in the
> Brothers physical existence.
> > By the way, my understanding of nastika that was referred to
> > earliar is today spelled in most circles as "naustika" and
> > to one who does not subscribe to the Vedas. It is not
> > referring to one who is an atheist, but is used by Hindus to
> > to Buddhists and Jains.
> My understanding is similar, but the Sanskrit word is still
> naastika (the "aa" standing for a macron over the "a"). Perhaps
> transliterating from Hindi or Prakrit or ??? I think the word
> means "denier", the opposite of aastika which means
"believer". The denial &
> belief in this case revolving around the Vedas & the Vedic
> teachings, according to Manu (2, 11). It can also mean denial
> spiritual realms, or the Hindu gods. This latter meaning would
apply to the
> dominant Western religion, Xtianity and materialistic atheists
> planet. It is in the latter sense that the Mahatma of the Circle
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