Theos-Talk Archives (November 2000 Message tt00123)

In a message dated 11/14/00 11:25:42 AM, Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us writes:

>> Gene,
>>
>> Thanks for all of your contributions through which mind is so
>> stimulated. Here is my question back to you.
>>
>> > A particle of light has no mass whatsoever. There is no time for it.
>>
>> But apparently it does, as the astronomers have measured and recorded
>> the bending of star light as photons pass the vicinity of large
>> massive objects such as a star. And also we must ask how could light,
>> if there is no mass, being drawn inescapably into a black hole?
>
>Sherab,
>
>My understanding is that the photon has no mass and that it is the spacetime
>that the photon "travels within" that is curved by the mass of a star.
>Perhaps light can't get out of a black hole as the escape velocity would
>have to be greater than the speed of light and that can't happen. Good
>questions. I'm not the one who can answer with any firmness but this is
>my understanding so far.
>
>Thank you very much,
>Gene

You are correct that it's the "space-time" -- or, if I might add, the 
"primal, non material, zero-point energy field of physical space" -- whose 
lines of force are curved around a material body or "mass-energy" of a star 
existing within (and connected to) that field. But, it is not the "speed of 
light" or it's "escape velocity" that is directly related to why photons are 
drawn toward a black hole. 

It is actually that same zero-point energy field whose lines of force are 
pulled toward and into the black hole (whose mass is far greater than any 
star, and perhaps, even a galaxy) to form a vortical gravitic energy well 
that attracts the photons when considered, relatively, as a particle having 
an apparent mass. 

To picture this analogously... Imagine a rubber sheet of infinite 
stretchability (representing the energy matrix of space-time) when a very 
small but extremely heavy ball (representing the mass of many stars or even 
an entire galaxy) is resting on it. Imagine, further, what happens to a tiny, 
almost infinitely lighter particle (representing a photon of light) that is 
rapidly traveling along the sheet and passes close by the sloping rubber pit 
formed by the heavy object. When the object is as mass-energetic and as 
compressed as a black hole (at its center), these force lines converge into a 
funnel whose slope is increasingly deep and narrow, into which the photon 
falls. Once past the event barrier circle, it could begin moving at a 
relative velocity (if we can call such motion outside of normal space-time, 
"velocity") far faster than the physical speed of light (thus accounting for 
its disappearance) -- to ultimately merge with the relatively infinite energy 
of the zero-point at the center of the black hole.

In this view, it becomes obvious that the photon does have an equivalent 
relative mass, and it's the curvature of the space around a massive object 
that causes it to be attracted toward the star or black hole. It should be 
noted that in our physical space the photon of light is measurable as a 
quantum particle having an equivalent mass-energy that is capable of knocking 
an atomically bound electron, also with an equivalent mass-energy, from one 
atomic "shell" or level of energy to another. (The only particles, so far 
determined by science mathematically, that appear to have no measurable mass 
are neutrinos... Although, according to some theorists they may have 
"negative mass" -- whatever that is?:-) 

Incidentally, this characteristic of a photon (that can act as both a 
particle or a wave) and which, as an apparent "particle," can have a 
mass-energy equivalency -- is the basis of the "photoelectric effect" that 
Einstein discovered. That's the reason why a light image (focussed by the 
lens of the eye as photon "waves") causes electrochemical changes on both 
eye's retinas that, in turn, lead to electromagnetic discharges that flow 
along the optical nerves' crossover network to the various visual synapses of 
our dual brain... And, subsequently, through a series of additional 
electrochemical changes in the neurotransmitters, produces (theoretically, 
according to my theory of ABC, based on theosophical principles) the 
holographic magnetic field (measured as EEG "brain waves") that enables us to 
see the two separate (sidereal) light images impinging on the retinas as a 
single holographic (astral) light image in our mind's eye. (To find out how 
that works, see: 
http://tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/ )

It should be noted that the mass of material objects (stars, atoms, quantum 
particles, etc.) are nothing more than condensed primal energy of an 
"electrical" nature that is, in essence, equivalent (with respect to light 
energy) to the mass-energy of the individual photons that make up a 
continuous ray moving at "light speed" ("c" -- in the equation E=mc^2) as 
well as being equivalent (as a particular limited aspect of primal energy) to 
the zero-point energy of the space-time field that exists between all 
"quantum" particles (including electrons and photons). 

Theoretically, In one sense, it's the near infinite mass at the zero-point 
center of the black hole that bends the space-time field into a deep, 
sometimes vortical pit that impels the light traveling along its lines of 
force to follow them downhill, so to speak, into the black hole -- (almost 
like the water that, impelled by gravity. flows through a small drainage hole 
and carries the particles of dirt and other floating objects along with it). 

In other words, sidereal light is the purest form of mass-energy that can 
exist in the physical space time continuum, and a black hole is actually the 
"event barrier" or circular area in space (that surrounds the zero-point of 
infinite mass-energy at its center) -- where the energy of the space-time 
field becomes sufficient to overcome the photons mass energy and change its 
physical state. Therefore, once light crosses the event barrier it must 
continue on (possibly at a much faster astral light speed) and eventually be 
absorbed in or, perhaps, pass through the zero-point singularity at the 
center of the hole. In effect, the ray of photonic light energy is attracted 
to and returns to its primal source... (And then, possibly, could be spewed 
out on the opposite side as a "quasar" into this or an adjoining universe.) 

For further understanding of the concept of adjoining universes, refer to 
"the bubbles, within, bubbles, within bubbles" and "as above, so below" -- 
(as described in my previous posts, and symbolically pictured on the 
chakrafield diagram at the web site below) -- that represent the 
multidimensional seven fold nature of all beings (as interconnected fields of 
consciousness), and indicates how their self powered lines of force flow 
endlessly across and through each other at their zero points of intersection, 
as well as through their zero-point centers. 

>From a scientific point of view, this, too, can only be a theoretical 
speculation... But, it makes sense, since it fulfills the scientific axioms 
of "symmetry" and "conservation" of energy (Ref: Einstein's theory of 
relativity, E=mc^2, quantum fields, etc.), as well as the theosophical laws 
of "cycles and periodicity" (Ref: Proem, SD I, 16b). Also, to visualize how 
an entire universe can grow out of a single surrounding bubble of primal 
energy, see:
http://members.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html.
Also, see the SD references linked to modern scientific theories at: 
http://users.aol.com/unIwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/einstein.html

I hope this discussion helps further clarify how some new theories of modern 
physical science correlates with, and in some respects, even merges with 
fundamental theosophical science... And, gives us additional food for thought.

Thank you for the opportunity to bring up and continue discussion of these 
subjects.

LHM