Theos-Talk Archives (August 2000 Message tt00006)

Aug 2nd 2000

Dear Mauri:

Can we simplify these?


Why not ask ourselves why is it that we enjoy being perverse?  To
be independent does not demand that we refuse to do things, but,
rather that we examine them (I mean arising circumstances) and
ask ourselves why and how we are involved in them.

If we can do this then we see we are detached, and yet related to
any event.

The mind lives in the body we use.  The body was not consciously
created by us in the 9 months of gestation prior to birth, nor
did we subsequently have too much to do with its growth.  These
things seem to be done for us, automatically.  Do we stop to
wonder and inquire into this?

What do we know/do not know about ourselves and our abilities?
Have ever set down a list for consideration and study -- of
OURSELVES ?  Apparently we live in and use various layers of
sentience and consciousness, so WE are the PERCEIVERS.

We are the LEARNERS.

Assuming that we are permanent, and immortal, then all situations
and perceptions relate to a progressive change in perception o
relationships and causes that relate to us and others around us.

Can we secure information about these things based on our own
independent observation and not dependent on the views (true or
false) of others?

The views Theosophy offers ought to give us such independence and
lead us to discovering what our powers and faculties are.  But it
is not a quickie course -- but rather, a long and protracted
life-long study.  And, we met others who are engaged in the same
kind of examination, each in their own way.   We can discuss our
findings with them.

Some more notes below

Best wishes,

D. T. B.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri [mailto:mhart@idirect.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:02 AM
To: basic@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-basic] Re: good and bad, and laws of nature as a
whole



          Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:19:18 -0700
     Re: What is CREATION?
          "dalval" <dalval@nwc.net>

  wrote:

"To make the distinction between "good," and "bad," let us say
that that which is "good" follows, obeys, encourages, and
chooses to obey according to the LAWS OF NATURE AS A
WHOLE."

======================

Seems that the interplay of the various
beliefs/notions/activities in
our karma/earth world lead to much karmic ripple-making that
in turn offers us the necessary opportunities/challenges that
serve
as our primary karmic education-tool.  (Basically defined,  a
"learned karmic lesson" might be said to be the result when one
learns to stop banging one's head against a karmic brick
wall---though apparently there are many other much less drastic
kinds of  karmic entanglements and scenarios.)
Discovering/defining and making progressive/"spiritual-inner"
Universally-compatible use of  the various results (or
"offerings,"
in a sense) from that kind of interplay is obviously the
tricky/crucial learning-opportunity part for us---whether the
perceived interplay-activity "heats up" or just "basically offers
opportunities in some way" for those of us caught up in it
directly or indirectly.   So discussions about "good and bad,"
(or
derivatives of those),  would seem to occasionally tend to get
somewhat complex/emotional/antagonistic in direct proportion
to the extent of the relevant variables of  the participants:
Apparently not even all theosophically-inclined are immune from
"differences of opinion" (or some apparent variables), on  some
levels: Consider Judge and Besant, Bruce and Joseph, Mauri
and Whoever, etc.  But at least those real or apparent
differences of opinion would seem to stir the mind/spirit into
initiatives  and possible learning opps.  And as one begins to
extrapolate further from there, obviously a key question then
becomes:  How severe do our karmic lessons have to become
in order to be effective-enough?

DTB	All circumstances of life inevitably point to our assets and
defects.  As we are independent of those, we have an opportunity
to evaluate them, if we can detach ourselves from the emotional
bonds which "pleasure" and "pain" evoke.  We have to detach the
MIND of the PERCEIVER from its emotional responses.  We have to
do this with compassion and patience.
----------------------------------------

The extent of the perceived severity of our various problems (or
karmic encounters) would seem to be in direct proportion to the
extent by which we have created the karma that led to those
problems,  which would seem to imply that all "injustices" are
somehow  "justified" from a karmic standpoint; and yet are there
not other considerations applicable to that scenario?:  As when
we have lost the conscious memory of whatever led to the
present problems, but can "feel" the "injustice" of the karmic
effect.  Which would suggest that karma by itself, by not
reminding us of the cause of the problem, (not giving us the
reason for the punishment), is not the real teacher at all,
leaving
that role, for bertter or worse, entirely to us,  to our
"spiritual/inner" and our various perceptions/efforts: seems as
if
karma's essential educational role is that of hint-making, in a
sense, as when one learns, sooner or later, not to bang one's
head against life's various brick walls.  And of course we're
constantly challenged with having to first find/define the
various
"obstacle-hints" before we can even begin to
resolve/understand/utilize them or bang our heads against them.

DTB	The feeling of "injustice" (in accidents or circumstances),
because we cannot trace the cause of adverse Karma always
troubles us.  HPB deals with this in the KEY TO THEOSOPHY, see
pp. 35, 129 133, 160-2, also SD II 303-4.
Best wishes,
Dal
-----------------------
Mauri

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