Theos-Talk Archives (June 2000 Message tt00017)

Dear Aryel:

If we use the name 'Theosophy' for describing a metaphysical system -wich is the
common use of the word-, or if we use the name 'Theosophy' for describing a state
of awareness -wich is a really rare use of the word applied to a spiritual
state-... is it really important, after all?

I mean, is it really impossible to think that there may be serious studiers of
Theosophy, or esoterism in general, that desire, act for, fight for, dream, and
trie to live with the state of awareness you mention, but at the same time use the
name Theosophy when they describe a known system of metaphysics?  Will we think
that if you use that term in that way, so you don´t desire, act for, fight for,
dream and trie to experience an state of awareness?   Clearly this conclussion
would be very wrong.

Look:

A: Democracy is a political system where the State has the following characters
...If we want to understand what is democracy, we could read ........

B: No, that is not democracy.  Democracy is a psychological state of freedom and
...

Do they really say different things?  Of course not.  Does A not want what B
mentions?  No.  In fact, if A is a normal person, A desires as much as B that
psychological state of freedom.

But we can see that A is using the term in its normal sense, and that B is using
the term in a new intentioned way.

If they don´t think different, why do they discusse?  That is no necessary.  There
won´t be more democracy in the world if we all assign to the term ´democracy´ the
meaning introduced by B, and forget the usual meaning.

Aryel, words are simply conventions, they mean what most of members of a society
understand when they hear it.  That is no sin.

Probably nobody in the list, using 'Theosophy' as a word to indicate a
metaphysical system, rejects your observation about the vital trascendence of the
state of awareness.

So, we don´t need to have discussions without any real utility, such as the one
between A and B.

Friendly,

DAVID C.


ASANAT@aol.com escribió:

> In a message dated 6/1/00 8:55:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ramadoss@eden.com
> writes:
>
> << At 07:33 AM 06/01/2000 EDT, you wrote:
>  >In a message dated 5/10/00 1:54:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>  >Brotherhood is not -- and cannot be -- merely a product of the analytical
>  mind, a major source of ALL of our troubles.  Many organized religions,
>  political parties, and ideologies promote "brotherhood," yet promote the
>  killing of people and the destruction of culture and property for the sake
> of
>  that IDEAL of the analytical mind.
>  True brotherhood can only be the result of someone being in a theosophical,
>  divine-like, state of awareness.  If such a state of awareness is not
>  present, it is impossible to have brotherhood.  Such states are the states
> in
>  which there is compassion-insight.  And it is only from such
>  wisdom-compassion that can come a true sense of kinship with others, with
> all
>  that is.  Otherwise, what we have is THE ANALYTICAL MIND playing with itself.
>  All best,
>  Aryel
>
>
>  I think Aryel has hit the nail on its head.
>
>  I think that it is a fundamental yet non intellectual change that would be
>  the starting point of realizing oneness of life in all its forms.
>  Intellectual change is perhaps the beginning of this "process". In my
>  experience, anyone who is exposed to theosophical "philosophy" seem to
>  undergo a change inspite of themselves, which can be a mini-transformation.
>
>  mkr >>
>
> mkr,
>
> Precisely.  HPB & her teachers spoke of the "esoteric science" being
> communicated in seven keys.  There is the metaphysical, the mythical, the
> astrological...  But THE ONE key without all of those are ineffectual, is the
> psychological or mystical key.  As they explained with unequivocal clarity in
> "The Esoteric Character of the Gospels," that key is the key of regeneration,
> or initiation -- or, as we might say today, of TRANSFORMATION.  (Exact
> references given in my two papers on transformation, which can be found in
> Rodolfo Don's website, teosofia.com.)
> Unfortunately, the vast majority of members of the TS, including leaders &
> authors, continue to promote the anti-HPB, anti-Masters notion that theosophy
> IS a metaphysics, a mere product of the analytical mind, and that brotherhood
> is AN IDEAL to be followed -- not a consequence of living in the context of
> theosophical states of awareness.
>
> Aryel
>
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