Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00279)

Book I, Part III, Pg. 510.  Five lines up from the bottom a line begins,

"Says Stallo:  "If we reduce the mass upon which a given force, however small, acts
to its limit zero -- or, mathematically expressed, until it becomes infinitely
small -- the consequence is that the velocity of the resulting motion is infinitely
great, and that the 'thing' ... is at any given moment neither here nor there, but
everywhere..."  >>>>>>>  e = mc^2

Book I, Part III, Pg. 582 --- "It is equally impossible to conceive of matter
without energy, as of energy without matter; from one point of view both are
convertible terms."  >>>>>>>>>>>  e = mc^2

I'm not Leon but, nonetheless,  find these two sentences rather intriguing.

Spencer

Michele Lidofsky wrote:

> Dear Leon,
>
> How kind of you to write up all your references for me like that... It
> almost makes me feel guilty that I have two other requests regarding the
> matter (no pun intended).
> First, have you ever actually SEEN any Russian textbook or syllabus that
> refers to the SD?  This would be extremely significant.  (If you
> haven't, I would like to know if you have ever researched this yourself
> - no sense my duplicating an avenue of effort that you might have found
> fruitless).
>
> Second, can you give me the page references to quotes in the SD or any
> other HPB work that YOU found most convincing and powerful to both the
> AE-SD theory and to your own insights and meditations on the physical
> nature of the universe - which, judging by your web pages, have been
> quite fecund.  (Nothing from pseudo-theosophists, or later
> 'confabulists', please.  Not that you're likely to cite these sources; I
> am a thousand percent with you in the judgment that these later sources
> of "Christianized gobbledygook" provide at BEST a kind of mental
> quicksand that ensnares the intellect, distorting  and distracting from
> our mental and spiritual focus upon the fundamental truths and
> propositions HPB was able to reveal at the present time.)
>
> Again, thanks for your time and input.  I have virtually zero expertise
> or academic training in physics, but I have friends (materialists, all)
> who do, and I would love to have a shred, just a thread...
>
> Michele
> LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Michele,
> >
> > Thanks for confirming with your "intuitive insight" that the story about
> > Albert Einstein and the SD might be quite true.
> >
> > Along with that, I have other, more direct reasons for my own belief,
> > however...
> >
> > Back in the early eighties, while my science mentor and close friend, Dr.
> > Sebastian Perchion, former atomic scientist and biophysicist, a theosophist,
> > and an initiated Lama of the Tibetan Ningmapa sect (and also one of Sylvia
> > Cranston's science consultants, b.t.w.) and I were culling the SD for
> > references to modern physics --  Dr. Perchion showed the Secret Doctrine
> > (during that time of "detente") to several Russian Scientists (including
> > Sakarov and Z'eldovitch, if I recall correctly) attending a scientific
> > conference at the New York Academy of Science.  He described the SD to them
> > as a textbook of modern physics -- which they first thought incredulous --
> > although they respected the fact that the book was written by a Russian.:-)
> > But, after he showed them some of its references to the "unity between energy
> > and matter," as well as to the connections between light quanta, electricity
> > and matter -- they agreed that Einstein, if he read the book prior to 1905,
> > certainly could have intuited his theories from it... Since, they also
> > confirmed that it was almost impossible that AE would have intuited them
> > based on the state of knowledge of physics he had studied and been teaching
> > (as was earlier confirmed by Dr. Feynman's comments in Time magazine during
> > the 1975 celebration of the 20th anniversary of Einstein's death -- as quoted
> > on my AE-SD web page). It's interesting that relativity was still
> > controversial even up to the time Einstein got his Nobel Prize for his other
> > work in theoretical physics.
> >
> > Incidentally, the Russians took back to the USSR the copy of the SD Perchion
> > showed them.  Many years later, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, I heard
> > from another scientist friend, who had visited Russia, that the SD was listed
> > as a physics reference book in several Russian Universities. This was very
> > interesting to me at the time, since Z'eldovitch had come up with some
> > controversial theories of proton decay, and Sakharov had some ideas about
> > universal brotherhood and human rights, that smacked of a considerable
> > theosophical knowledge.
> >
> > In addition, Sylvia Cranston, in her HPB biography made some reference in her
> > notes that Einstein was given his copy of the SD by Robert Millikan, 1923
> > Nobel Prize winner (for his work on the photoelectric effect, which Einstein
> > originally theorized and received his Nobel Prize for in 1921).
> > Coincidentally (or karmacally:-) I also heard that Millikan was a personal
> > friend of Einstein's... Since, my employer during the late forties, a wealthy
> > Russo-German immegrant and international industrialist, Lawrence Lesavoy,
> > Chairman of Lesavoy Industries -- who was a personal friend and business
> > associate of my father, as well as a fellow "alchemist" and "Mason" (and
> > judging from his sagacious knowledge of cycles and other esoterica, could
> > very well have been a theosophist) -- was the major "sponsor" of Einstein
> > when he emigrated to America to teach at the Instiute of Advanced Studies at
> > Princeton University.  Mr. Lesavoy, who had known Einstein since he was a
> > teenager, told us that he also knew Millikan, who, it is reported, had
> > corresponded with Einstein since some years before the turn of the century.
> > Millikan, incidentally, was also said to be a student of alchemy and a Mason,
> > which is probably what originally led him to the SD, which Miilikan, as one
> > of Einstein's mentors, probably discussed with him prior to 1895 (when
> > Einstein wrote his first essay at age 16 implying relativity ).
> >
> > To cap all this off, I saw an original photograph of Einstein that Mr.
> > Lesavoy always had on his desk that was Inscribed "Thank you, Larry, for
> > everything," signed "Albert." Incidentally, both Lesavoy and Millikan were
> > about ten years older than Einstein. It's also interesting that many of
> > Einstein's ideas of a spiritual as well as humanistic nature are also quite
> > consistent with the principles and ethics of theosophy.
> >
> > Naturally, all this is quite anecdotal and strangely coincidental, and
> > certainly could not be valid as evidence in any court of law... But,
> > nevertheless, I have no doubts whatsoever, confirmed by my own studies of the
> > scientific correlations in the SD, that it had agreat deal to do with
> > sparking Einstein's insights into most, if not all, of the pioneering
> > breakthrough he introduced with his special theory of relativity in 1905
> > simultaneously with his theories of photoelectricity and quantum physics --
> > some of which he had been considering and questioning older scientists about
> > since he was a young boy, according to his biographers.
> >
> > I hope this is enough to set the record straight about AE and the SD, and
> > help reinforce your apparently correct "intuition and insight."
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Leon Maurer
> >
> > In a message dated 05/22/00 4:14:32 PM, officerjenny@mindspring.com writes:
> >
> > >Well, Leon -
> > >
> > >I checked out the web page you suggested and while the narrative
> > >provided is an interesting enhancement of 'the niece's story', it STILL
> > >is only anecdotal evidence, nothing that would stand up in court...
> > >When you replied that you had worked with Sylvia Cranston on the
> > >scientific references for her HPB bio and had first hand information, I
> > >got very excited, but there was still a tinge of skepticism about it
> > >because after all, if there WAS a body of solid evidence for the AE-SD
> > >theory, all of us in the TS (and, maybe more importantly, the rest of
> > >the world) would have heard of it by now.  The unfortunate complication
> > >of the missing book only serves to make the whole thing sound even MORE
> > >like an Urban Legend to any materialistic sleuths familiar with these
> > >tales.
> > >
> > >Having said this, let me hasten to add that my personal beliefs lean
> > >very heavily toward yours, in favor of the testimonies.  But, for me,
> > >there is no question that my opinion arises from intuition and insight,
> > >not empiricism.  And since HPB herself remarked that "Knowledge comes in
> > >visions", I am perfectly satisfied with that.
> > >
> > >Thanks again - am enjoying your web page, too.
> > >
> > >Michele Lidofsky
> > >
> > > Maurer@aol.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Michele,
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your response to my recent posts referring to science and
> > >> theosophy:
> > >>
> > >> I have good reason to believe that Einstein got his insights for
> > practically
> > >> all of his scientific breakthroughs from deep study of the Secret Doctrine.
> > >> Besides having worked with Sylvia Cranston on her Biography of HPB, with
> > >> respect to some of the science references therein, I have first hand
> > >> information that Einstein actually had a copy of the SD for most of his
> > >> working life.  I have also studied the SD as a scientific textbook and
> > >found
> > >> that if I were alive at the time of Einstein and was of his age and had
> > >his
> > >> same training in and knowledge of then current physics and mathematics
> > >as
> > >> taught in Germany -- and if I also studied the SD and packed it with
> > >notes as
> > >> deeply as I have already done -- I have no doubt that I would have come
> > >up
> > >> with E-mc^2, photoelectricity, relativity, and quantum theory.
> > >>
> > >> Check out the following website and find out why I am so certain of this.
> > >> http://users.aol.com/unIwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/einstein.html
> > >>
> > >> In addition, you might check out my ABC web site and find out what I
> > >intuited
> > >> scientifically from the SD - with very little training in and knowledge
> > >of
> > >> current postmodern physics and mathematics (although I was trained as
> > >a
> > >> Chemical Engineer many years ago).
> > >> http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Leon Maurer
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated 05/21/00 3:38:37 PM, officerjenny@mindspring.com writes:
> > >>
> > >> >LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> information intuited directly from teachings in the SD that gave
> > Einstein
> > >> his
> > >> >> insights into the equivalency of matter, energy, light and electricity
> > >> >-- and
> > >> >
> > >> >Hi, Leon -
> > >> >
> > >> >  An interruption here for a side issue, if you will...
> > >> >
> > >> >  Are you saying here that you believe that Einstein got his insights
> > >> >regarding the equivalency of matter, energy, light and electricity
> > >> >through intuition received by his reading the SD?  I have heard so much,
> > >> >pro and con, about this question of whether AE actually did keep the
> > >SD
> > >> >on his desk, or that this assertion has virtually no supporting
> > >> >evidence, there being only one witness' casual reference, which was
> > >> >considered by many theosophical historians to be unreliable.
> > >> >
> > >> >  I would appreciate hearing your opinion on this matter.  I also
> > >> >appreciate your scientifically oriented approach to supporting
> > >> >theosophical truths, which the adepts said must eventually happen.
> > >I am
> > >> >trying to make the same kind of effort in my area of study, and am
> > >> >currently working on reconciling the evolution of the layers of the
> > >> >physical brain through the kingdoms as a vehicle for the awakening of
> > >> >language/self consciousness /spirit.
> > >> >
> > >> >  Thanks,
> > >> >  Michele Lidofsky
> > >
> >
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