Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00221)

David,

The quotes are taken out of context.  There is a whole section in the Bailey
books explaining that all of humanity is involved with these negative
traits.  Again these are general statements concerning the exoteric or
personality traits or cultural trait of a markedly intelligent and practical
and profoundly creative people who long ago worshipped one god of the seven.
Saturn was that god.  Saturday was the holy day of that worship.  Saturn is
the Goddess of Creativity and Procreativity, the higher and lower aspects of
Intelligent Activity, the third aspect, the Mother Aspect, that of the first
Solar System.  There was no monotheism.  The one god of the Eyptians or the
Hebrews or the other Cities of that ancient time were different gods.  The
"Father" referred to by Maitreya-Krisna-The Christ was not
Saturn-Cain-Jehovah.

Since that ancient time things have changed.  People all over the world
sense THAT beyond the pantheon of the seven Gods or Seven Rays or Seven
Heavenly Men, each nation, each city, "worshipping" one, or two, more than
the others.  It is THAT hidden deity who is the One, the others merely
wonderful aspects and attributes expressing the One.

The arguments given by Bailey, in context, and read as a piece all together
are not anti-Jew, or anti-semitic any more than current healthy open
civilized debate right now between Jew and Gentile, Jew and Arab, or
Orthodox Jew and Reformed.  The jest of the argument is that Intellect is
only one of three aspects and can not stand alone.  The exoteric Judaism of
the past like the fundamental christianity of the present can not stand
alone, like no intelligent person can live without Love and Will.  The
Higher Intelligence, Creativity, the Soul, must eventually dominate and
guide the lower self, the pro-creative, in all things.  No matter what name
is used selfish intelligence must give way to creative and altruistic
intelligence overshadowed by love for all fellow beings.  The esoteric
Judaism of Love as taught by Jesus is transforming the world of Judaism and
the Gentile.  Only the conservative and fundamentalist elements, only the
exoteric portions of the "christians" and the "jews", are excitedly reacting
to esoteric philosophy, without understanding it, without surrendering to
their own inner beauty and wisdom.  It is the intellect when cut off from
the other two aspects that is the source of suffering as symbolized in the
old testament.  It is the worship of the golden calf, or materialism,
excluding the other aspects of Life, that causes suffering.  All humanity is
being dragged kicking and screaming into the Light, not just the Orthodox,
conservative political elements in the so-called Jewish and Christian and
Moslim and Buddhist worlds.  It is all an illusion, this separation.

I think Yonassan has an ax to grind, has misunderstood Alice Bailey,  and
will eventually work things out on his own and with a little help from his
friends.

Gene


-----Original Message-----
From: David Green <davidgreen@hotmail.com>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:53 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Whatever Bailey was "channeling" as "The Tibetan"


>
>Gene -----
>
>What's your honest opinion of Mrs Bailey's words as quoted by Yonassan
>Gershom at http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/bailey.html ?
>
>David
>
>
>>From: "Eugene Carpenter" <ecarpent@co.la.ca.us>
>>Reply-To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
>>To: <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Whatever Bailey was "channeling" as "The Tibetan"
>>Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:34:05 -0700
>>
>>I am so sorry you have come to these conclusions.  Please continue to
speak
>>the truth as you see it.  Warn the "little ones".  I realize I could be
>>wrong.
>>
>>In my opinion none of what you are saying has any truth to it.  But please
>>keep thinking and doing your best to do what you think and feel and act as
>>right.
>>
>>Gene
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Green <davidgreen@hotmail.com>
>>To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
>>Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:14 AM
>>Subject: Theos-World Whatever Bailey was "channeling" as "The Tibetan"
>
>> >
>> >Whatever Bailey was "channeling" as "The Tibetan," (supposedly her
spirit
>> >guide and the esoteric source of this drivel) it was certainly hateful
>> >towards Jews and Judaism. Frankly, I don't think this came from anything
>> >higher than her own sick mind. Garbage in, garbage out. But
>>unfortunately,
>> >Bailey's books are still widely available -- in major bookstores
even! --
>> >and her pseudo-intellectual style can seem very impressive to the
>>beginner
>> >in esoteric studies. But under all that fancy blather lurks a raging
>>bigot
>> >-- so don't be taken in by this antisemitic junk, folks.
>> >
>> >Yonassan Gershom
>> >http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/bailey.html
>
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