Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00150)

Dear Kim,

Wow.  Thankyou so much.  If you're on the list then I'm yours!

I resonate to your writing like a new silver bell, like body- surfing in the
beautiful waters of Dana Point Beach in the early or late hours.  Thankyou.

I like the other feedback too.  I am starting to get uncomfortable not
having colleages who will stand up and speak their minds and their hearts.
We can all learn together.  Many are simply testing the waters with their
opposition.  Electric Fire in relationship to Fire by Friction yields Solar
Fire or OBJECTIVITY!!!

So let's fight each other with a bemused smile on our faces and love in our
hearts.  Such joy is ours!

George Spencer-Brown wrote down the LAWS OF FORM in the late sixities.
Collin Johnson, author of the superb book WHY, writes in that book that he
had a telephone interview with Spencer-Brown in which Spencer-Brown clearly
stated that the Buddha had taught the     LAWS OF FORM( . . .mutual arising
. . .).  He discovered this in 1984.
He was so happy about it.

George Spencer-Brown thinks that he has proved that all of Boolean algebra
and arithmetic can be derived through logical deductive steps from two
ideas:

1. The Idea of Distinction
2. The Idea of Indication

This all seems to relate back to Nagajuna, etc.

I have a wonderful unpublished collection of quotes from HPB, AAB, Allen
Watts and other like Chang(THE BUDDHIST TEACHING OF TOTALITY).  That you
might love.  Anyone who is interested please let me know.  I am eager to
share it.  I compiled it.  Me!  Me!  (grinn, smile, puffed up, etc.)

I think that the space you have outlined so well is the funnest space there
is.  Zero, One, Two  It is this area that can help all of us wanna-be's
focus as we struggle, in our own individual freedom soaked ways, towards
really understanding Life.

Your friend indeed,
Gene

Tell me more!

May I have permission to share this Kim-Gene exchange with the 22 member
esoteric science group?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Poulsen <kpoulsen@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Several Comments on Alice Bailey


>    Gene, please stay on this list and try to endure the howling dervishes
>you unknowingly aroused by mentioning Mrs. Bailey. The 3 "critical essays"
>mentioned, are not worth bothering with, not so much due to their
unpleasant
>spirit pervading them, as to the absence of analytic capacity demonstrated
>by the authors. The criticism amounts apparently to finding words in the
>works of AAB, which are uncommon in HPB's works.
>
>    One example: Mr. Weeks, who was a fan of AAB for 10 or more years as I
>recall, but nowadays has turned upon his former "religion"with great zeal,
>has a problem with the term "Maitreya", so well-known from buddhism. He
also
>have a problem with the Maitreya invocation found in AAB, even though the
>tibetan canon has at least half a dozen such invocations. Along with the
>fact that a work like "Cosmic Fire" is characteristicly tibetan in
>structure, with its 3 main divisions, and sub-divisions denoted by letters,
>it merely suggests that the author may have been a tibetan and a buddhist.
>
>    Furthermore, a work like the Samdhinirmocanasutra (the Yogacara
"Bible")
>clearly shows what Maitreya means. The last three chapters concern the
three
>bodhisattvas Manjushri ("Lord Manu"), Maitreya (Love) and Avalokiteshvara
>(Seen, or manifested Lord), corresponding to three manifestations of the
>three logoic aspects. Maitreya is the second aspect personified , referred
>also to as "karuna and prajna", or "love and wisdom", in the abstract,
again
>by the buddhists.
>
>    The whole issue brings to my mind the statement by Leadbeater, in his
>foreword to "Light on the Path",  that D. K. was an incarnation of Asanga.
>Asanga lived in the early centuries A.D., and according to Bu-ston, was an
>initiate of the third degree. According to the writings of AAB, D.K became
>an adept of the fifth degree. Among the peculiar traits of Asanga was his
>devotion to "Maitreya", his preference for Yoga philosophy, etc. If
accepted
>as a hypothesis, there is a long list of similarities between Asanga and
>AAB's master.
>
>    But enough of this. The situation on the theosophical discussion list
>has reached a point, where the very mentioning of the name "Alice Bailey"
>brings out a reaction, ranging from violent attacks to polite suggestions
>that one should read certain essays. If I ever would use the word
>"pseudo-theosophy", it would be to describe that religious zeal, the
arising
>of which has destroyed every religion. And furthermore completely alien the
>freedom of spirit and freedom of investigation which is the very essence of
>theosophy.
>
>    Now, to speak of a far more pleasant subject (on this Wesak night), I
>would like you to know I enjoyed your postings immensely. Your philosophy
>reminds me so much of Leibnitz and Nagarjuna, they too loved the Philosophy
>of the Void. Did you know that Leibnitz used a numerical, esoteric system
as
>basis for his philosophy? He probably evolved it while working on the
binary
>system. It becomes very clear from the rear side of a coin or medal he had
>made for his benefactor, a german prince. The Universe evolves from
>combinations of  0 and 1, etc. His way of thinking is very close to the
>ancient indian philosophers (and the Pythagoreans), even though his basics
>may differ. The Philosophy of Nothingness and Unity is the somewhat rare
>mark of the "Lineage of the Great Mystery (mahamudra)", as Taranatha calls
>it, or a "1st ray philosophy", as Bailey puts it.
>    Did it ever occur to you that Nirvana and the pralayic state of a
world,
>both counted in graduations up to "Absolute Spirit" and "Absolute Matter",
>both are (must be) co-existing rest-states (during pralaya) ? That is,
since
>it is clear that Nirvana is something difficult to achieve and hence not an
>automatic occuring event, not all will reach that state. So, as in
>Abhidharmakosha 1, we must calculate with three states during pralaya:
>1. All-pervading and infinite Space
>2. Cessation (or rest) caused by spiritual knowledge or wisdom, that is
>Nirvana.
>3  Cessation not caused by spritual knowledge. This somewhat cryptic term
>covers several grades of beings, including "failures" and "sorcerers".
>
>   To bring myself back to the my point (I almost got carried away by
>ancient metaphysics here): I loved your writings, the way the shunya-vada
>(normally so icy-cold), arouses in you excited feelings. Please stay on
this
>list,
>
>in friendship,
>
>Kim Poulsen
>
>Gene:
>> It is great to have all sorts of opinions.  I have studied Bailey for
>thirty
>> years as well as all of Blavatsky(at least all her texts)  I like and
love
>> both and if my life could in anyway preserve these texts in the face of
>some Nazi like
>> book burning rampage I would give my life gladly.   If you do not want a
>scholar that
>> loves both to be on this list, please
>> tell me, and I will leave .....
>
>
>
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