Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00118)

Hi,

Thanks, but I don't believe that.  Atma-buddhi-Manas is the transpersonal
triad

1.  The Creative Will of Humanity, the first cause of the Altruistic Mind
2.  The Buddhic intuitive Mind
3.  The Abstract Mind

The deductive or the concrete mind is indeed the tool of the higher states
of Atma-Buddhi-Manas and a tool doesn't build a house.  But
Atma-Buddhi-Manas ain't gonna build no house without a tool.

I've experienced it.  One receives the Creative Will of Humanity(Atma)(all
possible thought) through the buddhic intuition(latent thought) and one gets
abstract thought(actual thought.  This is then down-loaded into the personal
concrete mind and must confront the personal experience and vice-versa.
Then the concrete mind experience, common sense, must search for experience
which substantiates the new abstract thoughts(hypotheses) or devise the
proper experiments to substantiate the buddhi-manasic notions.  The concrete
mind is the slayer of the real, but what does that phrase mean?  Gee.  HPB
wrote that the concrete mind is symbolized by John the Baptist in the
symbolic language of the New Testament.  Further she wrote that this
concrete mind, this personal analytical mind, is the bridge, the
antaskarana, from the transpersonal states of consciousness to the personal
states of consciousness.  The concrete mind is not the cause of
abstract-intuitive-thought but is the effect of such thought.  Science is
important.  Science is knowledge of matter.  Wisdom is knowledge of spirit.
To have wise science is the goal is it not?  Decartes said that the way to
truth is through intuition AND deduction.  He did not write that the way to
truth is through deduction.  The analysis and synthesis by the concrete mind
is the personal basis that substantiates theosophical thought!  It might not
be the way but is the means to truely and deeply understand.  Isn't personal
understanding essential?  Isn't personal understanding and common sense
really the bottom line.  Theosophy lifts one into understanding the obvious.
  "Occultism is Altruism pure and simple." HPB. And.  How are we going to
put our lives on the line for the one life of our humanity?

Hooray for deduction!

Love,
Gene


-----Original Message-----
From: ASANAT@aol.com <ASANAT@aol.com>
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Cc: ARASantaFE@aol.com <ARASantaFE@aol.com>; Elliot Ryan <nppress@vais.net>;
csanabri@skadden.com <csanabri@skadden.com>; Armando Verea <averea@juno.com>
Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World MONADS IN EVOLUTION


>In a message dated 4/27/00 2:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>ecarpent@co.la.ca.us writes:
>
><< Hi,
>
>I've enjoyed reading ya'll stuff on theos-talk, and I'm on the lookout for
>anything concerning finding truth through deduction and buddhic-intuition
>with deduction beginning and ending with the self-evident truth.
>
>Love,
>Eugene  >>
>
>Dear Eugene,
>
>If you are looking to "find truth through deduction," especially "beginning
>and ending with the self-evident truth," & in the words of the immortal
John
>Lennon (as informed by Yoko):  "Rots-a-rock!"
>
>Deduction is a tool of the analytical mind.  The analytical mind is
wonderful
>for doing anything having to do with things mechanical (building bridges,
>composing computer programs, finding one's way in traffic).  But it is
>ludicrously out of its depth, when it comes to things that matter to humans
>(such as ethics, religious experience, aesthetic experience, & such).
Since
>theosophy is about things that matter to humans, deduction has no ESSENTIAL
>place in it.
>
>Yes, deduction has a place in our understanding of theosophy.  The
DEDUCTIVE
>ARGUMENT used in the previous paragraph is an example of how we use
deduction
>all the time, whenever we speak or think.  So whenever we SPEAK or THINK of
>things theosophical, we'll be FORCED to use deduction.  But such speaking
is
>truly THEOSOPHICAL if, and only if, it comes from THEOSOPHICAL STATES OF
>AWARENESS.  In such states, the analytical mind (including its deductive
>elements) has absolutely NO PLACE.  "The Mind is the Great Slayer of the
>Real.  Let the Disciple Slay the Slayer."  Slaying is a strong word.  It
>means:  There must be ABSOLUTELY NO ANALYTICAL MIND, in any genuine inquiry
>into THAT WHICH IS.
>It is from DEDUCTION that any and all SYSTEMS come from.  But systems
ALWAYS
>imply the preservation and promotion of THE ME.  And so long as there is
>self-centeredness, there cannot be any inquiry worthy of the name into THAT
>WHICH IS.
>A system always preserves & promotes the me, since a KNOWER is required in
>order to have a system of any sort.  Such a knower is, almost by
definition,
>separate from the thing it knows.  So a system IMPLIES that there MUST BE a
>fragmentation between an observer, and that which she observes.  But such
an
>observer is ALWAYS the result of the way she thinks.  That is, the
observer,
>the analyzer, is always a result of never-questioned expectations, based on
>conditioning.
>So DEDUCTION, far from getting anyone any closer to understanding anything
>about THAT WHICH IS, is an excellent tool for making it IMPOSSIBLE to even
>look at THAT WHICH IS, let alone for getting close to it.
>A totally different human component must be relied on, in this process of
>theosophical investigation.  According to the ancient wisdom, such sources
>are to be found in insight-compassion, in whose states of awareness, as
such,
>there is no analysis -- & so no deductions.
>This is intended only as part of an on-going dialogue on "the Great
>Conversation."  It is not meant as a "final word" on this subject, by any
>means.  What do ya'll think?
>With affection,
>Aryel
>
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