Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00016)

May 2nd 2000


Dear Spencer:


Thanks for your reply, Now let me add to what I had written
earlier:

I have known Raghavan Iyer a great deal longer than any of you
have.


Compared to HPB's WISDOM-LIGHT,  AND THE LIGHT OF THE MASTERS,
ALL OUR "KNOWLEDGE" INCLUDING THAT OF RAGHAVAN IYER, PALES INTO A
MERE CANDLELIGHT.

We are in no position to make comparisons or to proclaim things
on behalf of another that we have not PROVED nor can we PROVE
them.

But, THEOSOPHY, as a universal and impartite philosophy, as a
statement of facts in Nature, as an account of the History of our
World and of the work of the GREAT ADEPTS and their Chelas and
the LODGE, we can demonstrate as being accurate all the way
through.  HPB and the Masters have invited us to do that.  Have
we been doing this, or are we looking for short-cuts?  Are we
trying to assume someone else's work as being such a "short-cut?"
If we are, are we not in danger of becoming "blind believers ?"
THEOSOPHY does not recommend that at all.

To the extent that anyone of us, students, may have come close to
expressing THEOSOPHY, to that extent we may humbly and silently
carry on the MASTERS' work.  We have to be honest TRANSMITTERS,
not INTERPRETERS.

But, we do not interpose ourselves between the MASTERS (or HPB)
and any of the students, nor do we try to eclipse their WISDOM,
which like the SUN (as you say) shines forth on all -- we are all
"moons" reflecting the "light from above."

The HIGHER SELF is our common SOURCE and that is the UNIVERSAL
ATMAN.  Interiorly we are all parts of the ABSOLUTE BE-NESS --
SPIRIT.  None is subordinate to any other.

NO ONE CAN CLAIM TO BE ANY CLOSER TO THAT ONE ABSOLUTE THAN ANY
OTHER IS.  The HIGHER SELF, our Atma, is forever enshrined in the
depths of our own Heart and consciousness.  No one can take it
from us.  No one can interpret it but ourselves.

At no time are we invited to make proclamations on behalf of
other students.

Our work is to proclaim the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS and not the
"filters" that others may have discovered. (Although those can be
'shared.')

MORE IMPORTANT STILL:  NO ONE OF US IS IN ANY POSITION TO
EVALUATE THE ALTITUDE OF ATTAINMENT OF ANOTHER STUDENT.  ONLY THE
MASTER CAN DO THAT  -- and that is done privately and only to the
student concerned, and is NEVER broadcast to others.

Take the example of the GREAT BUDDHA.  He did not go about
saying: "BEHOLD I KNOW...."   He traveled up and down India for
80 years after attaining ENLIGHTENMENT, saying always:   "Thus
have I heard .....  "

Can we do anything more than that ?


That is the ULT way. NO ONE may make any claims at all.  See
again what the DECLARATION states.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
[mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer
Kellogg
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:36 AM
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my
browser, read
it and it's ominously obscure and not interesting to me.


Thank you for the information.  Wasn't aware that my post was
full
of  ominousness and fear but will go back and double check.  And
yes, Prof. Iyer was very bright indeed.  One might say that the
difference
between his brightness and others' was akin to the difference in
brightness
between the sun and moon.

Spencer









"W. Dallas TenBroeck" wrote:

> May 2 2000
>
> Dear Spencer
>
> I recognize the text that you ask about as originating from my
> old friend Raghavan Iyer of my Bombay college days in the early
> 1940s.  He was about 5 years younger than I, and a very bright
> student. He had great charisma and drew a number of other
bright
> young minds to him and from there into the study of Theosophy
at
> the Bombay ULT.  We formed quite a bright group of young and
> serious, interested students who wanted to find out what
> THEOSOPHY had to teach.
>
> A few years later he went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and got
> his degree and taught there for a number of years.  Later on he
> got a teaching position in UC Sta. Barbara.  And again drew a
> number of bright minds into the study of Theosophy.  A ULT
Lodge
> was started there, around 1971 or 2.
>
> In this particular quotation he is making reference to the
> astrological/astronomical data that represent his own birth in
> this particular incarnation.
>
> Personally I do not think that it has any special significance
> for anyone but himself.  I have asked myself why he printed
this,
> and so far I have not found any useful answer.  So I do not pay
> any attention to it.
>
> In any case as you well know, in Theosophy there is no such
thing
> as any claim to personal "authority."   THEOSOPHY is IMPERSONAL
> and UNIVERSAL.  We are all privileged to be able to contact it
> and study it,  and then pass it along without any alteration to
> those who will follow us.
>
> I fail to see anything important or ominous in this, and if it
is
> implied, then it is veiled and mysterious. But, you will have
> noticed the Original Teachings are very clear, and neither
> "veiled," nor "ominous."  Ask yourself, with the knowledge of
> Theosophy so far acquired, have you anything to fear ?  If so,
> what is it, and why.  Can you let me know ?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> D T B
>
> ========================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
> [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Spencer
> Kellogg
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:50 PM
> To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World I hi-lighted the message with my
> browser, read
> it and it's ominusly obscure and not interesting to me.
>
> >> One wonders whether or not this curious paragraph points to
a
> date.  "...in
> >> a marriage by mutual assent," reminds one of that sentence
> from
> >> Theosophical literature having to do with our taking one
step
> in the
> >> adepts' direction with them most assuredly taking one or
more
> steps in
> >> ours.  One thinks of a hologram where a laser beam is split
> and the
> >> resulting 'two' beams are then redirected so that their
> interference
> >> pattern eventually 'creates' and image.  And what of, "the
> worthless husks
> >> of feverish speculation..."  Isn't that what's been
happening
> on this site
> >> for the past month or so, all the bickering over senseless
he
> said/she said
> >> nonsense?  Of course, if one were to make the calculations,
> including leap
> >> years where appropriate...?  Pay more attention to the
nothing
> in the last
> >> sentence.  For if e = mc^2, and nothing is the matter, we
get
> the
> >> experience of c^2 as spoken of in the Secret Doctrine at the
> bottom of pg.
> >> 510 of Cosmogenesis.
> >
>
> DTB     did you look at SD I 510 & FOOTNOTE ?
>
>         It deals with the nature of Matter.
>
> On SD I 632 HPB says a great deal about the real constitution
of
> "matter" where at the top of the page she discusses the nature
of
> the MONAD and the part that it plays everywhere in evolution.
> Tyndall made this "ominous confession:  " SCIENCE KNOWS NOTHING
> (and still knows nothing today 2000) OF THE NATURE OF MATTER."
>
> But Theosophy does.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> >
> > Spencer
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>     I would be most interested in whether anyone
> >>     who sees this can interpret the passage below.
> >>
> >>     Thank you.
> >>
> >>           Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and
> intuitive readiness
> >>
> >> for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce
in
> a marriage
> >> by
> >> mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on,
and
> those who
> >> are
> >> willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish
> speculation, psychic
> >> excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain
of
> >> self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking
of
> 'the
> >> celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7
months
> after the
> >> birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after
> the Aquarian
> >> Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic
> equator and
> >> entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event
> took place on
> >> earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu,
containing
> the key to
> >> the
> >> 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the
> time-honoured code
> >> language of the Wise Men of the East.
> >>
> >> -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk --
> theos-talk@theosophy.com
> >>
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> >> would be most interested in whether anyone
> >
> >     who sees this can interpret the passage below.
> >
> >     Thank you.
> >
> >           Retrospective insight into the 1875 Cycle and
> intuitive readiness
> > for 1975 are indissolubly wedded, with no danger of divorce
in
> a marriage by
> > mutual assent. The Wheel of the Good Law moves swiftly on,
and
> those who are
> > willing to drive out the worthless husks of feverish
> speculation, psychic
> > excitement and unholy curiosity must seek the golden grain of
> > self-validating truth in the mathematically precise marking
of
> 'the
> > celestial dial' on the Solar Clock. 14 x 7 years and 7 months
> after the
> > birth of 'H.P.B.,' as well as 3 x 9 years and 9 months after
> the Aquarian
> > Age commenced, when the disc of the Sun crossed the galactic
> equator and
> > entered the constellation of Punarvarsu (Pollux), an event
took
> place on
> > earth, under the aegis of the asterism Punarvarsu, containing
> the key to the
> > 1975 Cycle. This says everything and nothing, in the
> time-honoured code
> > language of the Wise Men of the East.
> >
> > -- THEOSOPHY WORLD -- Theosophical Talk --
> theos-talk@theosophy.com
> >
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