Theos-Talk Archives (February 2000 Message tt00010)

Feb 5th

Dear Leon:

I thank you for your lengthy comments -- very interesting.  May I
take some time to consider and offer some more of mine a little
later ?

Dal

Here are some preliminary notes

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In a message dated 11/26/99 8:31:41 PM, dalval@nwc.net writes:


>Nov 26TH
>
>Dear Leon.
>
>I thank you for sharing the material that you have in your two
posts.
>
>It is most interesting and also it reveals that some of the
>analysis is apparently very advanced in terms of such detail.  I
>notice that those who have considered cognition, receptivity of
>ideas, and the generating of concepts have developed a technical
>vocabulary that one would have to learn carefully before being
>able to discuss at parity with them in their vocabulary.

Yes, scientists think about the nature of reality in reductive,
analytic
terms--examining the particulars to explain the generality.
Therefore, they
cannot base their thinking on unproved fundamental truths or
first
principles--and thus, resort to labeling the physical properties
of the
things they speak of with technical jargon.  Unfortunately, while
this is
fine when dealing with material things that can be codified and
measured, it
does not work with intangible ideas like consciousness and our
inner world of
mind and memory, which are entirely subjective.
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Feb 4 2000

DTB	TERMS LIKE "OBJECTIVE" AND SUBJECTIVE" are used commonly but
I think that every consideration we make, every thought we have,
moved by whatever motive is always SUBJECTIVE.  All responses are
made OBJECTIVE so that we may communicate.

For instance, let me offer that which I am considering :  Reading
your letter places your thoughts into my mind and I clothe them
with a modification of meaning somewhat different from yours.
This is inevitable, and is the result of my habitual use and
understanding of those words -- I then seek to adjust your
statements (as ideas and pictures) with my concepts.  All this is
SUBJECTIVE.  Looking at a sunset or the field of view of a
microscope produces a SUBJECTIVE impression.  To tell you about
it is always OBJECTIVE.  So in everything we do.  We assume we
understand people and in reality we understand what we paint them
to be, based on their expressions.  (If only we could communicate
mind to mind !)

Interiorly I (like all humans are) am a MIND.  But I can also see
that the MIND is only a link to the USER OF THE MIND, who is a
separate being.  This approach, involves the use of technical
Theosophy, (using the definitions that H. P. Blavatsky offers in
THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY as an instance).  Using those we might
employ the following concepts as to the source of individual
Consciousness:  1.   ATMA  (spirit or the One LIFE,
Individualized in a human)  --  considering it as a "ray" of the
ONE UNIVERSAL SPIRIT that penetrates and is the eternal base of
all manifested Nature}.  ATMA (my Real Self) needs a link to the
Mind.  It is linked as a MONAD to an aspect of primordial matter
termed BUDDHI.  The MONAD (a unit of ATMA-BUDDHI, is to be found
everywhere in Nature (it serves as the base for the "atoms" as
well as the "Galaxies").  As it "journeys" through experience in
the manifested Universe it acquires increments of Intelligence.
This always developing immortal unit of
Intelligence/Consciousness needs a further "principle" to serve
it as a link with the many forms of manifested "matte" -- each
such form being composed of innumerable MONADS, each  in a
condition of their own development which links them Karmically to
the "Human Monad."  Thus the MIND is generated and evolves.  In
humanity each Person masks the Individual behind and within it.
The INDIVIDUAL ( Real man) is a triune MONAD consisting of Atma
(spirit),  Buddhi (Wisdom/discrimination) and Manas (mind).  Of
course you know this well and I only repeat this statement of the
basics so that I make sure that we both know what emphasis I
place on that which I am writing, and place here for
consideration.

2. That link is the "BUDDHI"  -- a "principle" which serves to
unite the LIFE to the THOUGHT -- so that THOUGHT (Mind) may in
turn employ the "personal mind of the embodied consciousness" --
which we are in daily waking consciousness, here and now.

But BUDDHI is not just a link.  It is also held to be the
repository of eternal experience (it being held in metaphysics
that the Individual, immortal portion of "Man," is a triune
eternal being (the "Eternal Pilgrim"  -- the triune MONAD.  and
that consists of  ATMA (Spirit) - BUDDHI (Wisdom and
discrimination) and MIND the power of the will (choice) to think.
Thinking may be said to employ in its processes :  "Correct
Cognition, Misconception, Fancy, Unconsciousness (sleep), and
Memory.
[PATANJALI's YOGA SUTRAS,  Tr. W. Q. Judge, p. 4]

Atma is "subjective" to Buddhi.  Buddhi is "subjective" to Manas.
Manas is "subjective" to its representative:  the "Lower Manas"
which is the embodied consciousness of the "Personality."  This
Personal, Lower Mind is that which we use here and now and also
it is that which is linked to its "parent," the MANAS -- the
Intelligence aspect of the triune MONAD.


dalval@nwc.net


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