Theos-Talk Archives (October 1999 Message tt00023)

--- "D.Caldwell/M.Graye" <blafoun@azstarnet.com>
wrote:
> Peter on the Mullin translation of Tsong Kha Pa's
> "The Six Yogas of Naropa"
> 
> I see what you are saying, and since I read in The
Key to Theosophy the grave warning against delving
into unknown territory w/out a counselor (teacher), as
well as some very scary experiences I had trying to
practice certain kinds of visualization/trance medium
states on my own, I have ALL BUT GIVEN UP my own
practices for fear of Black Magic/Wrong Results.

  What I would be interested in is some good reference
books to Visualization/Chakra Balancing/Etc. as well
as which book to read first Isis Unvieled, or Secret
Doctrine.

  I also want to suggest we be prepared for certain
possible self-fullfilled prophecies at the end of this
millenium.
> 
> Peter, I think you have done an excellent job of
> summarising much of what
> I ALSO got out of the book.
> 
> Yes, I believe Rich is referring to this very same
> translation by Mullin.
> 
> I see that Rich also refers to another book:
> 
> HIGHEST YOGA TANTRA
> by Daniel Cozort.
> 
> Peter, this book appears to me ALSO to be  full of
> "hatha yoga style forced
> breathing practices, forced visualisations and
> sexual tantra, all mixed up
> with allusions to higher states of spiritual
> attainment."
> 
> I have to agree with you Peter that both books are
> good examples of
> "the very Tantric and hatha yoga practices that HPB
> and the Masters warned
> against and distanced themselves from."
> 
> How can this be since both books are in the Gelugpa
> tradition---one being by
> the very founder of the Yellow Hats whom KH and M
> praise in very high
> terms??
> 
> I ask Rich, Steve and Nicholas, what's going on
> here?
> 
> Read what is said on these subjects as found
> throughout HPB's writings as
> well
> as what is in the Mahatma Letters.  Compare them to
> what is found in just
> these
> two book mentioned above.
> 
> Are any of you suggesting that these are the kinds
> of practices that HPB's Masters M, KH, Serapis and
> others of the Occult
> Brotherhood
> would practice or instruct their students to
> practice?
> 
> Colonel Olcott spoke of the Schools of HPB's Masters
> as follows:
> 
> ". . . the Brothers. . . have told me that there are
> schools, under
> appointed living adepts,
> where their Occult science is regularly taught."
> 
> Are any of you suggesting that the Brothers of HPB
> condone such "tantric"
> practices in their schools???
> 
> Can we just sweep all of this under the
> "theosophical" carpet and ignore it?
> Especially in light
> of what Mahatm Koot Hoomi writes about Tsong Kha pa:
> 
> ". . . that is the highest form of adeptship man can
> hope for on our planet.
> But it is as rare as the Buddhas themselves, the
> last Khobilgan who reached
> it being Sang-Ko-Pa of Kokonor (XIV Century), the
> reformer of esoteric as
> well as of vulgar Lamaism."  (Mahatma Letters,
> Letter 9).
> 
> IMHO, all of this is not some minor contradiction
> but a crucial, extremely
> crucial issue that needs to
> be carefully discussed and studied by all serious
> students of Madame
> Blavatsky's writings.
> 
> I write this in a rush, but does anyone see what I'm
> getting at?
> 
> Daniel
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